Intro to Elec node analysis help

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The discussion revolves around the application of node voltage analysis in electrical engineering, specifically focusing on calculating voltages at different nodes in a circuit connected to a 5V DC power supply. Participants share their equations and approaches to solving the problem, while also expressing their struggles with the concepts involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using node voltage analysis to determine the voltages at nodes (2) and (3), suggesting a KCL equation for node (2).
  • Another participant presents modified KCL equations for nodes (2) and (3), expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their equations based on lab measurements.
  • A later reply indicates a realization of inconsistent voltage notation across resistors, leading to a corrected set of equations that yield results close to lab measurements.
  • Another participant shares their derived equations from nodal analysis, providing specific voltage values for nodes (2) and (3) that align with previous lab results, while also expressing a desire for additional examples related to Norton and Thevenin's theorems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of their equations, with some expressing confidence in their results while others remain uncertain about their approaches and calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential issues with their equations and the need for consistent voltage notation, indicating that there may be unresolved assumptions or simplifications in their analyses.

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Students and individuals interested in electrical engineering concepts, particularly those learning about node voltage analysis and circuit analysis techniques.

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Hi Guys,

I am new to Electrical Engineering and am trying to figure out the voltages for (1) (2) (3) in the link below, assuming that a 5V dc power supply is connected to the terminals on the left. I am new to Elec Engineering and am struggling a bit. I thought to try Node Voltage analysis to get the answers. Obviously (1) =5V

However for (2), I am not sure how to figure out the equations.

Link is

http://photobucket.com/albums/a339/Eliatamby/?action=view&current=SV400003.jpg

I was thinking the KCL equation at node (2) would be:

(v1-v2)/100 = v2/3900 + (v2-v3)/220

Also, I have a general question. For the current entering node (2) can't I get uses Ohm's Law at the 100Ohm resistor? E.g. 5/100 so the current entering v2 would be 0.05 A. Then I could sub this into the (v1-v2)/100 equation to find out the value of v2? Would that work?

Thanks for your help, please let me know if this is not clear
 
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Ok I came up with two equations. The first being the KCL at node 2 (slightly modified from above)

(v2-v1)/100 = v2/3900 + (v2-v3)/220

The second is the KCL at node 3 :

(v3-v2)/220 = v3/1000 +v3/1200

I simplified the first equation to 223v2 = -195v3 + 2145

I simplified the second equation to v3=300v2/179

When I sub equation 2 into equation 1, I get 3.9 for v2 which seems about right. When I sub that value into equation 2 for v3, I get around 6, which doesn't seem right at all.

I tested the circuit in my lab a last week and got v2=4.3 and v2=3 (approx). Are there things wrong with my equations? Am I not using KCL (or node analysis) correctly?

Thanks for any help, I am really stuck
 
I actually think I have got it!

I realized after going through my textbook that I am not denoting the voltage across the resistors consistantly.

I chose the equations:

(v1-v2)/100 = (v2-v3)/220 + v2/3900 (1)

(v2-v3)/220= v3/1000 + v3/1200 (2)

In retrospect this is a such a simple thing, but something I just overlooked because I never thought properly about it. But solving these two equations gave me figure which were with 0.2 V of what I measured myself.

No subject makes me feel so slow as Elec1011... :frown:
 
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using nodal analysis, i arrived with 2 equations:

-(V2-V1)/100 - (V2-V3)/220 - V2/3900 = 0 <equation1>

-(V3-V2)/220 - V3/1000 - V3/1200 = 0 <equation2>

also:

V1 = 5 <equation3>

since the 3 equations are reducible to 2 unknowns, therefore

-(V2-5)/100 - (V2-V3)/220 - V2/3900 = 0 <equation4>

-(V3-V2)/220 - V3/1000 - V3/1200 = 0 <equation5>

then i manipulated equations 4 and 5 and arrived with equations 6 and 7

-12700V2 + 3900V3 = -42,900 <equation6>

60/11 V2 - 421/55 V3 = 0 <equation7>

solving equations 6 and 7 sumultaneously and using my casio fx-991ES calculator, i arrived with

V2 = 4.324203318 V

and

V3= 3.081380037 V

since the values i got were close enough to the measured value you obtained in your lab, i therefore conclude that my answer is certified true and correct<i guess!Ü>

we just had our exam for the nodal and mesh analysis about 2 to 3 weeks ago that's why the topic is still fresh from my memory

by the way, do you have examples about norton and thevenin's theorem?

if you do, kindly post some<like this problem u posted> because i only have some examples...thanks!
 

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