Intuition for forces & torques

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between applied forces, translational acceleration, and rotational effects on rigid bodies. Participants explore how the application of force relative to the center of mass influences both translational and rotational motion, as well as the distribution of work done on the body.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a force must pass through the center of mass to cause translational acceleration, suggesting that any force can induce acceleration if the body is free.
  • Another participant agrees that while any force causes translational acceleration, a force not passing through the center of mass will also induce rotational acceleration.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding how work is distributed between changing kinetic energy and rotational energy when a force is applied not through the center of mass.
  • It is suggested that the distribution of work depends on the ratio of the moment of inertia of the body to its mass, although no simple formula is provided.
  • There is a clarification about the concept of applying a force "with the ability to do X amount of work," with one participant indicating that this might refer to an impulse.
  • Participants briefly discuss the context of billiards, pool, or snooker in relation to the application of forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a force can cause translational acceleration regardless of its line of action relative to the center of mass, but there is no consensus on the specifics of how work is distributed between translational and rotational energy.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of forces and their effects on rigid bodies, but these assumptions are not fully explored or defined. The relationship between moment of inertia and mass is mentioned without a detailed mathematical framework.

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Does the line of a force applied need to go through the centre of mass to cause translational acceleration?

I have follow up questions regarding the answer to this simple question which I can't find the answer for anywhere
 
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hello decerto! :smile:
decerto said:
Does the line of a force applied need to go through the centre of mass to cause translational acceleration?

any force will cause translational acceleration (if the body is free)

if its line does not pass through the centre of mass, then there will also be a rotational acceleration
 
Ok thanks, the follow up question is related to the fact both torque and force do work, how is this work distributed for set amount of energy.

Say a force is applied not through the centre of mass by something with the ability to do X amount of work on a rigid body, what decides how much of that work goes into changing the kinetic energy vs changing the rotational energy
 
decerto said:
Say a force is applied not through the centre of mass by something with the ability to do X amount of work on a rigid body, what decides how much of that work goes into changing the kinetic energy vs changing the rotational energy

i'm not aware of any simple formula

it would depend on the ratio of the moment of inertia of the body to its mass
 
How do you apply a force "with the ability to do x amount of work" ?

If you apply a single force to a body it will continue to accelerate indefinitely.
 
Studiot said:
How do you apply a force "with the ability to do x amount of work" ?

If you apply a single force to a body it will continue to accelerate indefinitely.

I suppose I'm talking about an impulse
 
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So we are talking billiards, pool or snooker perhaps?
 
Studiot said:
So we are talking billiards, pool or snooker perhaps?

Sorry?
 

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