Intuition for why d<p>/dt = -dV(<x>)/dx

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In summary, the conversation discusses the relation between classical potential and the Ehrenfest theorem, which states that ##\frac{d \langle p \rangle}{dt} = -\langle \frac{\partial V(x)}{\partial x} \rangle##. It is noted that this relation is not consistent with Newtonian mechanics, but the Wikipedia page suggests that it would be if quantum expectation values were consistent with it.
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Is there any good physical or graphical intuition for why ##\frac{d \langle p \rangle}{dt} = -\frac{\partial V(\langle x \rangle)}{\partial x}##? Classically this is apparently true.

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EquationOfMotion said:
Is there any good physical or graphical intuition for why ##\frac{d \langle p \rangle}{dt} = -\frac{\partial V(\langle x \rangle)}{\partial x}##? Classically this is apparently true.

Thanks.

In classical physics potential is defined so that ##F = -\frac{\partial V}{\partial x}##.

Your equation is, however, not correct. It should be:

##\frac{d \langle p \rangle}{dt} = -\langle \frac{\partial V(x)}{\partial x} \rangle##
 
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PeroK said:
In classical physics potential is defined so that ##F = -\frac{\partial V}{\partial x}##.

Your equation is, however, not correct. It should be:

##\frac{d \langle p \rangle}{dt} = -\langle \frac{\partial V(x)}{\partial x} \rangle##

I think ##\frac{d \langle p \rangle}{dt} = -\langle \frac{\partial V(x)}{\partial x} \rangle## is the Ehrenfest theorem. The Wikipedia page however notes that were quantum expectation values to be consistent with Newtonian mechanics, we'd have ##F = -\frac{\partial V}{\partial x}##. Unless I'm misunderstanding something.
 

1. What is the meaning of "d

/dt = -dV()/dx"?

This equation represents the relationship between the change in momentum over time and the change in potential energy over distance. It is known as the "equation of motion" in physics.

2. How does this equation relate to intuition?

Intuitively, this equation tells us that as momentum decreases, potential energy increases, and vice versa. This makes sense because as an object gains momentum, it has a greater ability to move and therefore its potential energy decreases.

3. What is the significance of the negative sign in the equation?

The negative sign indicates that there is an inverse relationship between momentum and potential energy. This means that as one increases, the other decreases, and vice versa.

4. Can you provide an example of this equation in action?

Imagine a rollercoaster ride. As the rollercoaster car gains momentum going down a hill, its potential energy decreases. Then, as it reaches the bottom and starts going up another hill, its momentum decreases while its potential energy increases.

5. Is this equation applicable to all scenarios?

This equation is a simplified version of a more general equation that applies to systems with a single particle and conservative forces. It may not apply to more complex systems with multiple particles and non-conservative forces.

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