Inverse of a partial derivative?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the inverse of a partial derivative, exploring whether it is possible to "undo" a partial derivative and the implications of doing so in the context of multivariable calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that an integral can undo a partial derivative, with the caveat that the constant of integration becomes an arbitrary function of the other variables.
  • One participant illustrates this with the example of integrating a partial derivative, noting that the result includes a function of the other variables, C(y,z).
  • Another participant questions why the constant of integration is a function rather than a constant, linking it to the nature of partial derivatives treating other variables as constants.
  • There is a mention of the relationship between partial and complete derivatives, suggesting that the reverse of a complete derivative involves integrating over all variables, while a partial derivative involves integrating over only the variable in question.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about whether the concept of undoing a partial derivative is typically covered in calculus courses, indicating a lack of clarity in their notes.

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Participants generally agree that an integral can undo a partial derivative, but there is no consensus on the broader implications or the teaching of this concept in calculus courses. The discussion remains exploratory with varying levels of understanding and clarity.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the nature of functions and the treatment of variables during partial differentiation and integration. The relationship between partial and complete derivatives is also not fully resolved.

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As we know, the inverse of a derivative is an integral and visa versa, but what's the inverse of a partial derivative? Is it even possible to un-do a partial derivative?

Thanks for your help as I've been thinking about this for a couple days now!
 
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The difference between a partial and a complete derivative is what the derivative is with respect to. This is the same as for an integral---i.e. the reverse of a complete derivative would be an integral over all variables, while the reverse of a partial derivative would be an integral over only the one variable in question.
 
To add on to what zhermes said, an integral will undo a partial derivative, but the arbitrary constant is now an arbitrary function. e.g., given [itex]\partial f(x,y,z)/\partial x[/itex],

[tex]\int dx~\frac{\partial f(x,y,z)}{\partial x} = f(x,y,z) + C(y,z)[/tex]
 
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zhermes said:
The difference between a partial and a complete derivative is what the derivative is with respect to. This is the same as for an integral---i.e. the reverse of a complete derivative would be an integral over all variables, while the reverse of a partial derivative would be an integral over only the one variable in question.



Mute said:
To add on to what zhermes said, an integral will undo a partial derivative, but the arbitrary constant is now an arbitrary function. e.g., given [itex]\partial f(x,y,z)/\partial x[/itex],

[tex]\int dx~\frac{\partial f(x,y,z)}{\partial x} = f(x,y,z) + C(y,z)[/tex]

Thanks, another question, why is it a function?
 
romsofia said:
Thanks, another question, why is it a function?

In single-variable calculus, you have to add an arbitrary constant when you differentiate because you know the derivative of a constant is zero, so when doing indefinite integration you have to account for the possibility that in undoing the derivative there was a constant that was lost because it was differentiated.

The same thing applies in multivariable calculus: if I have a function C(y,z), then the partial derivative of C(y,z) with respect to x is zero:

[tex]\frac{\partial C(y,z)}{\partial x} = 0[/tex]

so when I integrated [itex]\partial f(x,y,z)/\partial x[/itex] with respect to x to undo the derivative I had to account for the fact that there may have been a function of y and z that was lost when the full function was differentiated.
 
romsofia said:
Thanks, another question, why is it a function?
If you are referring to the "C(y,z)" it is because partial differentiation with respect to one variable treats other variables like constants:

[tex]x^2y+ e^zcos(y)[/tex]
[tex]x^2y+ ln(yz)+ sin(z^2)[/tex]
[tex]x^2y- cos(e^z)+ y^2[/tex]
all have partial derivative, with respect to x, 2xy.
 
Is this something usually taught in calc three (the how to "un-do" a partial derivative)? I can't seem to find any of this in my notes :x
 

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