Can a valid metric always be inverted?

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The discussion centers on inverting a tensor equation, specifically x^{a} = h^{a}{ }_{b} y^{b}, and the conditions under which this inversion is valid. Participants explore the relationship between the tensor h and the Kronecker delta, questioning whether h can be inverted and if every valid metric possesses an inverse. The conversation reveals that h is defined as a transverse metric involving null vectors, leading to confusion about whether h behaves like the identity matrix. Ultimately, the participants express uncertainty about the existence of an inverse for h, suggesting that not all metrics may have inverses, especially in complex scenarios involving null eigenvectors.
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Homework Statement


I would like to know how to "invert" a tensor equation (see 2. Homework Equations ).

Homework Equations


x^{a} = h^{a}{ } _{b} y^{b}.
I just want to know how to get y-components in terms of x-components in general.

The Attempt at a Solution


I want to believe that h_{a}{ }^{b} h^{a}{ } _{c} = \delta^{b}{ } _{c}, but I'm not really sure that this is correct. Any help? Thanks.
 
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Pacopag said:

Homework Statement


I would like to know how to "invert" a tensor equation (see 2. Homework Equations ).


Homework Equations


x^{a} = h^{a}{ } _{b} y^{b}.
I just want to know how to get y-components in terms of x-components in general.



The Attempt at a Solution


I want to believe that h_{a}{ }^{b} h^{a}{ } _{c} = \delta^{b}{ } _{c}, but I'm not really sure that this is correct. Any help? Thanks.

what is the definition of your h??
 
h_{a b}=g_{a b}+k_{a} N_{b} + N_{a} k_{b}

where k and N are both null vectors and N_{a} k^{a} = -1
Here, h is called the transverse metric (i.e. transverse the the null vector fields k and N.
 
Pacopag said:
h_{a b}=g_{a b}+k_{a} N_{b} + N_{a} k_{b}

where k and N are both null vectors and N_{a} k^{a} = -1
Here, h is called the transverse metric (i.e. transverse the the null vector fields k and N.

Then you can calculate explicitly h_a^b h^a_c, no?
 
I can expand it all out, but I don't know what to do with terms like g_{b}{}^{c} k_{c} N^{a}.
I mean, I can't do the typical contraction-like operation with the metric g.
Another thing: is g^{a}{}_{c} g_{b}{}^{c}=\delta^{a}{}_{b} ?
I'm pretty sure this is the case for the Minkowski metric, but what about a general metric?
 
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Pacopag said:
h_{a b}=g_{a b}+k_{a} N_{b} + N_{a} k_{b}

where k and N are both null vectors and N_{a} k^{a} = -1
Here, h is called the transverse metric (i.e. transverse the the null vector fields k and N.

So h_{a }^b=g_{a}^b+k_{a} N^{b} + N_{a} k^{b}
and

h^{a }_c=g^{a}_c+k^{a} N_{c} + N^{a} k_{c}

So then you may contract them over "a"
 
Pacopag said:
I can expand it all out, but I don't know what to do with terms like g_{b}{}^{c} k_{c} N^{a}.
I mean, I can't do the typical contraction-like operation with the metric g.
Another thing: is g^{a}{}_{c} g_{b}{}^{c}=\delta^{a}{}_{b} ?
I'm pretty sure this is the case for the Minkowski metric, but what about a general metric?

g_{b}{}^{c} k_{c} N^{a} is just k_b N^a
 
In that case, I'm getting h^{a}{}_{c} h_{b}{}^{c}=g^{a}{}_{c} g_{b}{}^{c}+2(k_{b} N^{a} + N_{b} k^{a} +1)=g^{a}{}_{c} g_{b}{}^{c} + 2(h^{a}{}_{b}-g^{a}{}_{b}+1). This doesn't look like the kronecker delta I want in order to verify that I have the inverse of h.
 
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Pacopag said:

Homework Statement


I would like to know how to "invert" a tensor equation (see 2. Homework Equations ).


Homework Equations


x^{a} = h^{a}{ } _{b} y^{b}.
I just want to know how to get y-components in terms of x-components in general.



The Attempt at a Solution


I want to believe that h_{a}{ }^{b} h^{a}{ } _{c} = \delta^{b}{ } _{c}, but I'm not really sure that this is correct. Any help? Thanks.

Sorry, I just went back to your first post. I am not sure why you want o invert h. why not simply apply g_a^c to both sides of your first equation?
 
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g_{a}{}^{c} x^{a} =g_{a}{}^{c} h^{a}{ } _{b} y^{b}.
x^{c} = h^{c}{ } _{b} y^{b}.
I'm not getting it. Am I doing that wrong? I want to isolate the y-components in terms of the x-components. So my plan is to find the inverse of h, then apply it both sides of my first equation.
 
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The vectors k^\alpha,\,N^\alpha are null eigenvectors of h_{\mu\nu}, i.e. h_{\mu\nu}\,N^\nu=0,\,h_{\mu\nu}\,k^\nu=0, thus h_{\mu\nu}\,h^{\nu\tau}=h_\mu{}^\tau.
Now let x^\alpha=h^\alpha{}_\beta\,y^\beta \quad (\ast) and contract with h^\gamma{}_\alpha in order to get

h^\gamma{}_\alpha\,x^\alpha=h^\gamma{}_\alpha\,h^\alpha{}_\beta\,y^\beta\Rightarrow h^\gamma{}_\alpha\,x^\alpha=h^\gamma{}_\beta\,y^\beta\overset{(\ast)}\Rightarrow h^\gamma{}_\alpha\,x^\alpha=x^\gamma \quad \forall x^\gamma

thus (\ast)\Rightarrow y^\alpha=x^\alpha.
 
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Rainbow Child said:
The vectors k^\alpha,\,N^\alpha are null eigenvectors of h_{\mu\nu}, i.e. h_{\mu\nu}\,N^\nu=0,\,h_{\mu\nu}\,k^\nu=0, thus h_{\mu\nu}\,h^{\nu\tau}=h_\mu{}^\tau.
Now let x^\alpha=h^\alpha{}_\beta\,y^\beta \quad (\ast) and contract with h^\gamma{}_\alpha in order to get

h^\gamma{}_\alpha\,x^\alpha=h^\gamma{}_\alpha\,h^\alpha{}_\beta\,y^\beta\Rightarrow h^\gamma{}_\alpha\,x^\alpha=h^\gamma{}_\beta\,y^\beta\overset{(\ast)}\Rightarrow h^\gamma{}_\alpha\,x^\alpha=x^\gamma \quad \forall x^\gamma

thus (\ast)\Rightarrow y^\alpha=x^\alpha.

Ah! I was not told they were null eigenvectors of h!
 
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Rainbow Child, your logic seems bulletproof, but the conclusion seems strange to me. If y^{a}=x^{a}, then doesn't that mean that h is just the identity (i.e. h^{a}{}_{b}=\delta^{a}{}_{b})? I don't think that this can be since k is arbitrary.
 
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It should, if h^\alpha{}_\beta has an inverse. But I don't think it has! :smile:
 
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Then that makes things much more difficult for me. I'll keep plugging away. Thank you kdv and Rainbow Child for your replies.
 
  • #16
Does every valid metric have an inverse? If so, then I would expect that h has an inverse because its interpretation is that it is the metric on a hypersurface that is orthogonal to the congruence defined by k.
 
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