Investigating Energy Conservation with Sinusoidal Waves

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of energy conservation in the context of sinusoidal waves, specifically when two waves are combined through superposition. Participants explore the implications of destructive interference and the energy associated with wave amplitudes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the fate of energy when two sinusoidal waves are added, particularly when the phase difference leads to destructive interference, suggesting a potential violation of energy conservation.
  • Another participant points out that destructive interference occurs through the principle of superposition, indicating that the resulting wave can have zero amplitude under certain conditions.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the energy associated with the second wave must come from the work done against the first wave, implying that energy is transferred rather than lost.
  • One participant emphasizes that the energy of a single wave does not represent the true energy of the system, which should account for both waves in the superposition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of energy conservation in the context of wave superposition, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of energy behavior during destructive interference.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully explore the assumptions regarding the energy contributions of individual waves or the definitions of energy in the context of wave interactions, leaving some aspects unresolved.

landaetaedwar
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
Hi there. I am having trouble finding an explanation with waves.

Suppose that you have to sinusoidal waves
y1=Asin(kx-wt) and y2=Asin(kx-wt+phi)
If we add them up, the resulting wave will be y=2Acos(phi/2)sin(kx-wt+phi/2). Now, if phi equals pi then the resulting wave will have no amplitude.
We know that in order to cause both waves energy is needed, and that energy is proportional to the square of the amplitude.
I cannot find to explain what happens to the energy. Where does it go? Wouldn't this violate the principle of the energy conservation?

I appreciate any help
Thanks!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Just how would you 'add them up' ?
 
Destructive interference occurs (superposition)
 
If they are both going in the same direction, then one wave was present when the second wave was created, which means whatever caused it had to do work against the first wave. So, the energy went into whatever was making the second wave.
 
Notice that for phi=pi, you just have y1=Asin(kx-wt) and y2=-Asin(kx-wt). So y1+y2=0 and you actually don't have a wave any longer.

The punchline is that you cannot choose whether or not to add up the waves. If two independent waves are both solutions for the same system, then the general solution of that system will be the sum of both waves. To put it differently, the "energy" of a single wave component is not the true energy of the system, which should be a combination of both waves.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 33 ·
2
Replies
33
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 42 ·
2
Replies
42
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
880
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K