IPhO Training: Circular Motion Homework

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The discussion centers around a physics problem related to circular motion in the context of rollercoaster dynamics, specifically for IPhO training. The problem involves calculating the velocity of a body under the influence of a force, centripetal force, and friction, while neglecting gravity. Participants explore the relationship between acceleration and velocity, attempting to derive a function for velocity over time and determine its behavior (convergence or divergence). The conversation highlights the challenges of integrating the resulting differential equation and encourages collaboration in finding a solution. Overall, the thread emphasizes the complexity of the problem and the need for deeper mathematical techniques to solve it.
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Homework Statement



i'm being trained to the IphO (Internataional Physics Olimpyad), and I've come across the following exercise:

A F Force is applied to a body initially stopped in a rollercoaster. The F force makes the body describe a circular trajectory at the rollercoaster (loop). As the body is getting speed, its centripetal force raises too,and if we have a friction force, and forgetting the gravity, (making the F force, the centripetal force and its reaction and the friction forc the only forces applied to the body), we have that the reaction of the centripetal force is the "Normal" for the friction force, and as the time passes, the speed raises, the centripetal force raises, and the friction force raises too. The question is:

a) Calculate the function Velocity in function of time
b) Will the velocity converge or diverge? To how?
c) Will the body stay in MU any time? If so, calculate when.




If you could help me, I thank you

[]'s
John


Homework Equations



m=mass
F1=F Force
R=Radius of the RollerCoaster
Fc=Centripetal Force = mv²/R
Fa=Friction Force = Fc.u, u = friction coefficient
Ar = Resulting Acceleration = (F1-Fa)/m



The Attempt at a Solution



Ar = F1/m - v²u/R


Assuming:

F1/m = a
u/R = b


But v is already function of Ar, and I don't know how to continue, I really stopped here.
I've tried some infinitesimal calculus, but nothing so revelant:

Calling Vn as the velocity in the time n.dt, where dt is a infinitesimal part of time, like 1/Infinity

T=0.dt
V0=0
A0=a

T=1.dt
V1=V0+A0. dt = a.dt
A1=a-V1²b = a-a.b.dt²

T=n.dt
Vn=Vn-1+An-1.dt = Vn-1 +(a-Vn-1²b) dt



I've tried to calculate V0 to V5, and being x= a.b.dt²



V0/a.dt = 0

V1/a.dt = 1

V2/a.dt = 2-x

V3/a.dt = 3 - x (5 + (-4 + x) x) =

3 - 5 x + 4 x2 - x3

V4/a.dt = (2 - x) (2 + x (-6 + x (14 + x (-18 + x (14 + (-6 + x) x))))) =

4 - 14 x + 34 x2 - 50 x3 + 46 x4 - 26 x5 + 8 x6 - x7

V5/a.dt = 5 - x (30 + x (-146 + x (518 + x (-1398 + x (2950 + x (-4904 + x (6421 + x (-6600 + x (5288 + x (-3260 + x (1512 + x (-508 + x (116 + (-16 + x) x))))))))))))) =

5 - 30 x + 146 x2 - 518 x3 + 1398 x4 - 2950 x5 + 4904 x6 - 6421 x7 + 6600 x8 - 5288 x9 + 3260 x10 - 1512 x11 + 508 x12 - 16 x13 + 16 x14 - x15



I didn't see any relation between these numbers, I've tried to solve it integrating the Force, getting the Job, but then I had the velocity that was the derivate of distance, I don't know, it seems easy problem at first, but I really can't solve it!
 
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jaumzaum said:
Ar = F1/m - v²u/R


Assuming:

F1/m = a
u/R = b

Ar is dv/dt, so you have dv/dt=a-bv^2. Rearranging, we have dv/(a-bv^2)=dt. Do you know how to integrate this equation?

Good luck in IPhO! Which country are you representing?
 
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