Is a career in physics suitable for me?

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The discussion revolves around the suitability of a career in physics for a participant who expresses a lack of mathematical proficiency and below-average academic performance in physics. The conversation explores the challenges and demands of pursuing physics at a graduate level, particularly focusing on the mathematical intensity of the subject and the participant's interests in specific physics topics.

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  • One participant notes that graduate-level physics is heavily math-oriented, suggesting that many classes are essentially math courses with physics content, which may not align with the original poster's interests.
  • Another participant questions the original poster's interest in physics, given their aversion to mathematics, arguing that significant areas of physics, including superconductivity and black holes, require strong mathematical skills.
  • Concerns are raised about the competitiveness of physics graduate programs, with one participant stating that a GPA of 50-60% may not be sufficient for admission, regardless of the reputation of the university.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of pursuing physics without a strong affinity for mathematics, suggesting that a dislike for math could hinder success in the field.

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Participants generally agree that a strong mathematical foundation is crucial for success in physics, especially at the graduate level. However, there is no consensus on whether the original poster's interests in specific physics topics can outweigh their challenges with mathematics.

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The discussion highlights the importance of mathematical skills in physics and the potential barriers faced by those who struggle with math. It also reflects varying perspectives on the relationship between interest in physics and proficiency in mathematics.

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Individuals considering a career in physics, particularly those with concerns about their mathematical abilities or academic performance in related subjects.

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First I'll give a little background about myself:

1) I'm currently in a university which is top 10 in the world
2) My physics grades are at best below average, 50 - 60%
3) I don't party hard or drink much believe it or not in defence of (2).
4) I hate maths and it scares me.
5) The only topics that genuinely interest me are superconductivity, holography, black holes and dark energy.
6) Weird combination I know.

So to sum up, do you think a career in Physics is suitable for me?
 
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at the grad level everything will be taught in pure math. Grad classes are basically math classes disguised as physics classes. The point is not to teach new physics usually; it packages old physics into harder math with the most asinine and unrealistic geometries possible.

For example, doing a double delta potential problem is extremely tedious. Same with calculating Clebsch Gordan coefficients by hand. But those will come up on tests.

Or some typical Jackson problems:

"(1) The problems are hard. Damn hard. Someone else already said that, and I agree. What I WILL add, however, is that some of the problems are also simply STUPID and a waste of time, offering or enhancing physical understanding very little if at all. (Don't get me wrong-- there are some problems which, while hard, are also pretty darn cool. Unfortunately, there are too many of the other kind, too.) The type of problems I am talking about are of the following ilk: "Prove the following six-term vector identity;" "Re-derive equation #72 for a transverse magnetic field'" "Prove equation #27." Quite simply: WHO CARES? "

If you don't like math applied to a bead on a wire, metric tensor of a hyperbolic coordinate system or 1-D particle in a box potentials why do you think you'll like the math of superconductivity or black holes?
 
Brynjolf said:
4) I hate maths and it scares me.
5) The only topics that genuinely interest me are superconductivity, holography, black holes and dark energy.

The impression I get is that you just like the physics that you read in pop-sci books. Superconductivity and black holes are all very math intensive and if you hate math, then I don't understand why you are interested in physics in the first place.

Sure, many physicists see math as a tool, but I doubt that they actually hate it. I don't see how anybody can actually do physics without needing mathematics of some kind.

Can you tell us what you like about physics and black holes specifically??

But if you do hate math, then I fear that it might be very hard to be a physicist since a lot of the physics is math intensive.
 
micromass said:
The impression I get is that you just like the physics that you read in pop-sci books. Superconductivity and black holes are all very math intensive and if you hate math, then I don't understand why you are interested in physics in the first place.

Sure, many physicists see math as a tool, but I doubt that they actually hate it. I don't see how anybody can actually do physics without needing mathematics of some kind.

Can you tell us what you like about physics and black holes specifically??

But if you do hate math, then I fear that it might be very hard to be a physicist since a lot of the physics is math intensive.

I agree with this to a large extent. Even physicists who are sort of disdainful of math are very competent at it. I would not be surprised if number two is due to number 4 in your list.
 
Careers in physics are extremely demanding and very competative.

To make it into graduate school, marks of 50-60% aren't going to allow you to get in (unless of course, your class has a median of 30% or something). It doesn't matter how much or little you party or what rank your school has on the list of arbitrary school ratings. Graduate schools look for students who've been successful as undergraduates and if you don't have that success, you'll have a hard time getting in.

As others have mentioned hating math isn't likely to help you. Are there many carpenters in the world who don't like swinging hammers?
 

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