Is a Rapidly Rotating Searchlight a Violation of Special Relativity?

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The discussion revolves around a scenario involving a rapidly rotating searchlight that casts a spot of light on a cloud 1500 m overhead. The original poster calculates the speed of the light spot to be 3.5 times the speed of light and questions whether this constitutes a violation of special relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about the implications of their calculation and suggests that the scenario may violate special relativity. They consider various interpretations of the problem's parameters.
  • Some participants argue that the light spot is not a physical object and thus does not violate special relativity, while others question the practicality of the searchlight's rotation speed.
  • One participant proposes a thought experiment involving a laser instead of a searchlight to explore the implications of the problem further.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the assumptions made in the original post. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the light spot and its implications for special relativity.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the feasibility of the searchlight's rotation speed and the nature of the light spot in relation to special relativity. There is a suggestion that the problem may require a different framework, such as general relativity, for a complete understanding.

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Homework Statement


Consider a searchlight on the ground that casts a spot on a cloud 1500 m overhead. If the searchlight is rotated rapidly−say, 40 ∘ in 1 μs−—how fast does the spot move in the Earth reference frame when the searchlight is directed vertically upward?

I have solved this part and found the velocity to by 3.5c.

Is this a violation of special relativity?
1. No, this is not a violation of the special relativity, light spot is not a physical object and can move with any speed.
2. Yes, this is a violation of the special relativity, the searchlight cannot really rotate this fast, data given in the problem statement is incorrect.
3. Yes, this is a violation of the special relativity, this situation should be studied using general relativity.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I think it is a violation, but I'm not sure exactly the reasoning behind it. My educated guess would be number 2 is the correct answer.
 
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No, there isn't anything that is actually moving except the rotating search light. This canard is regularly debunked here on PF. No 1 is correct.
 
Barry Melby said:

Homework Statement


Consider a searchlight on the ground that casts a spot on a cloud 1500 m overhead. If the searchlight is rotated rapidly−say, 40 ∘ in 1 μs−—how fast does the spot move in the Earth reference frame when the searchlight is directed vertically upward?

I have solved this part and found the velocity to by 3.5c.

Is this a violation of special relativity?
1. No, this is not a violation of the special relativity, light spot is not a physical object and can move with any speed.
2. Yes, this is a violation of the special relativity, the searchlight cannot really rotate this fast, data given in the problem statement is incorrect.
3. Yes, this is a violation of the special relativity, this situation should be studied using general relativity.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I think it is a violation, but I'm not sure exactly the reasoning behind it. My educated guess would be number 2 is the correct answer.
Suppose you replaced the searchlight by a laser and the distance 1500m by the distance to the moon. You could rotate a real laser at a not-excessively fast rate entirely within practical bounds, and make the light-spot on the moon's surface move much faster than c. So, (2) is not really relevant, although it might be for a big, heavy searchlight---that's why I suggested a laser. That is, moving an actual searchlight through 40° in 1 μsec might be impractical, but you can easily wave a laser by hand with no trouble.

That leaves (1) or (3).
 
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EDIT: OOPS. I thought I was responding to the OP. Sorry Ray.
 

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