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The discussion centers around the implications of classical liberalism and its assumptions about human nature, particularly empathy and rationality. One participant questions whether classical liberalism can lead to equitable outcomes similar to those in Sweden, suggesting that an uncontrolled market without welfare will result in significant inequality and increased crime, a claim supported by historical evidence. Another participant counters this by asserting that classical liberalism does not impose a specific system and argues that historical evidence shows socialist policies lead to more poverty and crime. The debate also touches on the origins of the welfare state, with differing views on whether it was created out of necessity for freedom or as a result of promises made to the public. The conversation concludes with a strong dismissal of the original concerns raised.
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I have some questions for Ron Paul-followers.

Doesn't classic liberalism assume that humans have a lot more empathy and rationality than we really do? To me it seems unlikely that this system will create anything like what we're witnessing in countries like Sweden.

Isn't it inevitable that an uncontrolled market without a minimum welfare will create an uneven distribution of welfare in society, that will lead to lots of poor people, and thereby more crime? That's what history has shown!

Without a welfare state, what will happen to the poor? Remember that the people themselves created the welfare state because they didn't have freedom.
 
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kasse said:
I have some questions for Ron Paul-followers.

Doesn't classic liberalism assume that humans have a lot more empathy and rationality than we really do? To me it seems unlikely that this system will create anything like what we're witnessing in countries like Sweden.

Isn't it inevitable that an uncontrolled market without a minimum welfare will create an uneven distribution of welfare in society, that will lead to lots of poor people, and thereby more crime? That's what history has shown!

Without a welfare state, what will happen to the poor? Remember that the people themselves created the welfare state because they didn't have freedom.

Well, I am a Norwegian who the last couple of years have been sliding down (or rushing up?) the slippery slope towards classical liberalism.

Not the least based on the deficiencies I see in the Scandinavian welfare state model..
 
kasse said:
I have some questions for Ron Paul-followers.

Doesn't classic liberalism assume that humans have a lot more empathy and rationality than we really do?
No, it makes no such assumptions.
To me it seems unlikely that this system will create anything like what we're witnessing in countries like Sweden.
What system? Classical liberalism imposes no system. That's its defining quality.
Isn't it inevitable that an uncontrolled market without a minimum welfare will create an uneven distribution of welfare in society,
Yes.
that will lead to lots of poor people,
No.
and thereby more crime?
No.
That's what history has shown!
History has shown the opposite, that socialist policies lead to more poor people (constituents) and much more crime.
Without a welfare state, what will happen to the poor?
There will be a lot fewer of them.
Remember that the people themselves created the welfare state because they didn't have freedom.
No, it was because they were promised a share of the loot from the legalized pillage. And they're lied to and misled about classical liberalism.
 
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