Is dr/dt Always Perpendicular to r for a Unit Vector r(t)?

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The problem involves a vector function r(t) that maintains a constant length of 1, prompting a discussion on the relationship between the derivative of the vector and the vector itself. The participants explore whether the derivative dr/dt is always perpendicular to r.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the vector's constant length and consider differentiating the expression r·r. There are attempts to clarify the notation and the meaning of the components of the vector.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the differentiation process and the use of the product rule, while others are questioning the initial assumptions and notation. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the components of the vector and its derivative.

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There is some confusion regarding the representation of the vector r and its components, as well as the notation used in the problem statement. Participants are navigating these ambiguities while adhering to the constraints of the homework assignment.

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Homework Statement




4. Let r=r(t) be a vector whose length is always 1 (it may vary in direction). Prove that either r is a constant vector or dr/dt is perpendicular to r. hit: differentiate r.r

Homework Equations



basic derivatives with respect to t for velocity and acceleration



The Attempt at a Solution



r = 1 = x + y + z

df = d(r.r) = 2x(df/dx) + 2y(df/dy) + 2z(df/dz)

don't have notes on it yets, so I'm not sure where to go from here.
 
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One can write \vec{r} = r \hat{r}. You are given that the length is always 1, so what can you conclude about r?

Then note that \vec{r} \cdot \vec{r} = r \hat{r} \cdot r \hat{r} = r^2. Insert the value of r you figured out above, and differentiate this expression with respect to time. You should end up with "thing1 dot thing2 = thing3". What can you conclude about either thing1 or thing2?
 
I presume that by "r= x+ y+ z" you mean
\vec{r}= x\vec{i}+ y\vec{j}+ z\vec{k}

but then that cannot be equal to the number 1!

In any case, you don't want to reduce to components.

Product rule:
\frac{d \vec{r}\cdot\vec{r}}{dt}= \frac{d\vec{r}}{dt}\cdot\vec{r}+ \vec{r}\cdot\frac{d\vec{r}}{dt}= \frac{d(1)}{dt}= 0
 
HallsofIvy said:
I presume that by "r= x+ y+ z" you mean
\vec{r}= x\vec{i}+ y\vec{j}+ z\vec{k}

but then that cannot be equal to the number 1!

In any case, you don't want to reduce to components.

Product rule:
\frac{d \vec{r}\cdot\vec{r}}{dt}= \frac{d\vec{r}}{dt}\cdot\vec{r}+ \vec{r}\cdot\frac{d\vec{r}}{dt}= \frac{d(1)}{dt}= 0

okay, thanks that seems to make sense
 

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