Is Every Line Integral Zero with Green's Theorem?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Green's Theorem to evaluate a line integral along a positively oriented curve, specifically an ellipse defined by the equation x² + xy + y² = 4. The integral in question is ∫_{C} sin(y)dx + xcos(y)dy.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the integral being zero based on the double integral of the difference of partial derivatives. There is discussion about the conditions under which a line integral around a closed curve is zero, particularly in relation to conservative fields.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes affirmations of the original poster's reasoning, along with corrections regarding the conditions for the line integral to be zero. Some participants emphasize the importance of understanding that not all line integrals around closed curves yield zero unless specific conditions are met.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the nature of the vector field involved, with participants noting that the field in question is conservative, which influences the outcome of the integral. The discussion highlights the potential for misunderstanding regarding when line integrals are zero.

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Homework Statement


Use Green's Theorem to evaluate the line integralalone the given positvely oriented curve.

∫[tex]_{c}[/tex] sin(y)dx+xcos(y)dy, C is the ellipse x2+xy+y2=4



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The Attempt at a Solution


∫∫(cos(y)-cos(y))dA=∫∫0dA

Because this ends up being the double integral of zero, does this just mean my answer is zero?
 
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That's right. The line integral around any closed curve will be 0.
 
Yup.
 
Awesome. Thank you both.
 
Correction: The line integral around any closed curve will be 0 ONLY if the integral is on a conservative field. otherwise it won't be zero for all cases.
 
gomunkul51 said:
Correction: The line integral around any closed curve will be 0 ONLY if the integral is on a conservative field. otherwise it won't be zero for all cases.

Mmm. Well, sure. F=(sin(y),x*cos(y)) is conservative. So the integral of F.dr is zero around any closed curve. I didn't mean ANY F. Did that really need a 'correction'?
 
Dick said:
Mmm. Well, sure. F=(sin(y),x*cos(y)) is conservative. So the integral of F.dr is zero around any closed curve. I didn't mean ANY F. Did that really need a 'correction'?

It's a subtle point, I wanted EV33 to know that :)
It is very easy to make that mistake and think that any close line integral is zero.
 

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