Is External Influence the True Source of Human Actions?

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The discussion centers around the concept of whether human actions are influenced primarily by external factors, as suggested by Tesla, or if individuals possess free will. Participants explore philosophical implications, the relationship between free will and determinism, and the relevance of Tesla's ideas in a scientific context.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original post suggests that actions are driven by external influences rather than personal will, referencing Tesla's view that humans are like "corks upon the sea."
  • One participant questions the vagueness of the original claim and asks for a source to support Tesla's statement, emphasizing the need for testable predictions in physics.
  • Another participant interprets the discussion as relating to the philosophical debate between free will and determinism.
  • A different viewpoint argues against the idea that actions are solely influenced by external factors, asserting that personal desire plays a significant role in responses.
  • A participant cites a quote from Einstein discussing the balance between external compulsion and inner necessity, expressing skepticism about the concept of free will and referencing Schopenhauer's thoughts on the matter.

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Participants express differing views on the influence of external factors versus personal will in human actions. There is no consensus on the validity of Tesla's perspective or its implications for the understanding of free will.

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The discussion touches on philosophical concepts that may not align with the scientific standards typically upheld in the forum, leading to concerns about the relevance of the topic.

Lindat123
The inventor Tesla stated that all living things' actions appear to come from the will but actually come from the outside. He stated to the effect "we are corks upon the sea". For example you are sitting at your computer and start typing. You don't start typing because you want to but because you are forced by the outside environment. In the case of responding to me it is the text you are reading that forced you to type?

I believe this is true because I have seem glimpses of it. If it is real it is a is a major discovery for the world. There are a lot of possibilities to do good in the world with it. However, I do not see it fully. Any thoughts on this subject?
 
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Lindat123 said:
Any thoughts on this subject?
Welcome to PF! To me, what you've written is too vague to be meaningful. Do you have a source that tells us exactly what Tesla said? Also, in physics, a theory must make testable/measurable predictions -- what can we do with this one?
 
Perhaps the OP is asking about the age old argument about free will and determinism?

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Lindat123 said:
You don't start typing because you want to but because you are forced by the outside environment. In the case of responding to me it is the text you are reading that forced you to type?

Honestly, that is garbage ... I respond to your text because I want to ... no one forced me to

this is more philosophical and isn't really inline with PF standards
 
Maybe a good Einstein quote adds something here:

„An Freiheit des Menschen I am philosophischen Sinne glaube ich keineswegs. Jeder handelt nicht nur unter äußerem Zwang, sondern auch gemäß innerer Notwendigkeit. Schopenhauers Spruch: „Ein Mensch kann zwar tun, was er will, aber nicht wollen, was er will“, hat mich seit meiner Jugend lebendig erfüllt und ist mir beim Anblick und beim Erleiden der Härten des Lebens immer ein Trost gewesen und eine unerschöpfliche Quelle der Toleranz. Dieses Bewusstsein mildert in wohltuender Weise das leicht lähmend wirkende Verantwortungsgefühl und macht, dass wir uns selbst un die die anderen nicht gar zu ernst nehmen; es führt zu einer Lebensauffasung, die auch besonders dem Humor sein Recht läßt.“

„In human freedom in the philosophical sense I am definitely a disbeliever. Everybody acts not only under external compulsion but also in accordance with inner necessity. Schopenhauer's saying, that „a man can do as he will, but not will as he will,“ has been an inspiration to me since my youth up, and a continual consolation and unfailing well-spring of patience in the face of the hardships of life, my own and others’. This feeling mercifully mitigates the sense of responsibility which so easily becomes paralyzing, and it prevents us from taking ourselves and other people too seriously; it conduces to a view of life in which humour, above all, has its due place.

Regarding Tesla, I have something akin to a "Pavlovian cringe" when I see that name.
 
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