Is gravity a result of composition and temperature? Share your thoughts!

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the idea that gravity may be a result of the composition and temperature of elements, with participants exploring the implications of this theory and its validity within the context of established scientific principles.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that gravity results from the right composition and temperature of elements, suggesting the possibility of creating gravity and anti-gravity.
  • Others challenge this idea, referencing Newton's work that states gravity is generated by bodies with mass, questioning the plausibility of the initial theory.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the theory, arguing that it lacks specificity and quantitative testable predictions.
  • There are repeated assertions that the original proposal is more of a collection of scientific-sounding phrases rather than a coherent theory.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for proof and testable predictions if the idea is to be taken seriously, suggesting that without this, it may be considered science fiction.
  • Another participant notes that the original poster has previously shared similar ideas that were deleted, raising concerns about the validity of the current discussion.
  • Some participants express frustration with the lack of foundational knowledge from the original poster, suggesting that a deeper understanding of physics is necessary to engage meaningfully in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity of the original theory, with many expressing skepticism and demanding more rigorous standards for what constitutes a scientific theory. There is no consensus on the original poster's claims or their implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for quantitative predictions and testable evidence to support theoretical claims, indicating a limitation in the original proposal's scientific rigor.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the foundations of gravitational theory, the scientific method, or the standards for proposing new scientific ideas.

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I have this theory; gravitation is a result of the right composition and amount of elements, combined with the right temperature with a flux of course. This means there are many possibilities to create gravity, and anti-gravity if switched 180 degrees. Am I far out? what's your thoughts?
 
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You are going to have to be a lot more specific than that. Per Newton's work, gravity is something that is "generated" by bodies that have mass.
 
nuuskur said:
You are going to have to be a lot more specific than that. Per Newton's work, gravity is something that is generated by bodies that have mass.
Atoms have mass
 
Well, arbitrary collection of elements produces gravity independently of temperature. I don't see how the initial idea is plausible.

Yes atoms have mass. What is the purpose of that statement?
 
itallcomestoenergy said:
I have this theory; gravitation is a result of the right composition and amount of elements, combined with the right temperature with a flux of course. This means there are many possibilities to create gravity, and anti-gravity if switched 180 degrees. Am I far out? what's your thoughts?

Please read PF rules regarding personal/non-mainstream theories. In short, they aren't generally allowed.
 
Apparently we're going to discuss this one.

itallcomestoenergy said:
I have this theory

No you don't. You have a collection of scientific-sounding words strung together. If you have a theory, make some quantitative testable predictions.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Apparently we're going to discuss this one.
No you don't. You have a collection of scientific-sounding words strung together. If you have a theory, make some quantitative testable predictions.
How is it possible to prove this theory?
 
nuuskur said:
Well, arbitrary collection of elements produces gravity independently of temperature. I don't see how the initial idea is plausible.

Yes atoms have mass. What is the purpose of that statement?
The sun, Earth and our moon
 
Your theory requires YOUR proof. Until then it should be moved to the Science fiction section.
 
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Are you not listening to me? You don't have a theory. You have a collection of scientific-sounding words strung together. If you have a theory, make some quantitative testable predictions.
 
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CalcNerd said:
Your theory requires YOUR proof. Until then it should be moved to the Science fiction section.
But doesn't it start with a thought? I really need inspiration and help to figure this out!
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Are you not listening to me? You don't have a theory. You have a collection of scientific-sounding words strung together. If you have a theory, make some quantitative testable predictions.
I understand, but I don't have the background or knowledge to know where to begin...
 
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itallcomestoenergy said:
I understand, but I don't have the background or knowledge to know where to begin...

Then go to school and get a physics degree. Or spend a few thousand hours learning modern physics on your own. There is no other way if you want to be taken seriously.
 
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Sure. But if you are proposing something that is to be taken seriously (not science fiction), then you need to be prepared to offer proof. And that proof needs to hold up to tests.

Offer some proof to your ideas or the ideas are merely ideas for short science fiction novels (at best). As[U] Vanadium 50[/U] stated, you simply strung together some technobabble.
 
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Just as a note to everyone, he posted EXACTLY this same nonsense previously and that post was deleted. Why this one was not deleted as well is beyond me.
 
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CalcNerd said:
Sure. But if you are proposing something that is to be taken seriously (not science fiction), then you need to be prepared to offer proof. And that proof needs to hold up to tests.

To clarify to the OP, theories in science are a collection of rules, methods, and math that are consistent and make useful and observable predictions about the real world.

See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
 
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Drakkith said:
To clarify to the OP, theories in science are a collection of rules, methods, and math that are consistent and make useful and observable predictions about the real world.

See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
First: How can you prove me wrong? Arent you a scientist trying to figure out whatever is on your mind?

Second: Who are you to say that this is nonsense? I am here to find out where to go from here? ISnt this a general discussion forum?
 
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Since we do not discuss such personal speculation, this thread will be closed.
 
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