Is heat actually developed in resistors?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of heat generation in resistors when electric current flows through them. Participants explore the definitions of heat and internal energy, the implications of these definitions in the context of resistors, and the physical observations related to temperature changes in resistors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the phrasing "heat is developed" in resistors, suggesting that heat is defined as energy in transit rather than energy possessed by a system.
  • Others argue that resistors do indeed become hot due to internal (random thermal) energy, which leads to a temperature difference with their surroundings.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between heat and internal energy, particularly in the context of teaching thermodynamics.
  • There is a contention regarding the definition of heat, with some asserting that heat cannot be defined as something an object possesses, while others suggest that in practical terms, it can be treated as such in the case of resistors.
  • One participant introduces the idea that electric current can be conceptualized as drawing heat from an infinitely hot source, which raises questions about the nature of energy transfer in this context.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of heat and internal energy in resistors, indicating that there is no consensus on the terminology or conceptual framework being used.

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Limitations in definitions and the context of energy transfer are noted, particularly regarding the distinction between heat and internal energy, which remains unresolved in the discussion.

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We say that "heat is developed" in resistors when electric current flows through them..But we define heat as the tranfer of energy due to difference of temperature. So is saying that " heat is developed" technically correct?
 
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I mean this sincerely...are you asking this because you've never touched a hot resistor? There can be a huge temperature difference (relative to your finger, or atmosphere) on a load resistor, and it is 'developed' within the casing.
 
Cromptu. You are absolutely right. Internal (random thermal) energy is developed in resistors. So they become hotter than their surroundings. They then give out heat (energy in transit from higher to lower temperature). It is quite wrong to speak of heat being developed in a resistor. Heat is not energy possessed by a system, but energy in transit.

HighSpeed. No one can sensibly deny that resistors can become very hot. Their high temperature is associated with their raised internal energy.

The distinction I'm drawing between heat and internal energy may seem pedantic, but if you've ever tried to teach students the First Law of Thermodynamics, it is vital!
 
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Cromptu said:
But we define heat as the tranfer of energy due to difference of temperature.
No, we don't. If that were true one could never produce heat. Heat flow might be defined as you say but not heat itself.
 
I can't remember your profession, Halls, but if you check a dictionary, in physics the word does indeed require the context of transfer: objects can exchange heat, but they can't have heat. As an engineer, I don't use it that way though.
 
Yes, you can't define how much heat an object has. Just think of Cv vs Cp for ideal gas. The amount of heat you can extract for same temperature change depends on how you extract it. So how can you define the amount of heat an object has?

With resistors, however, we can think of it as heat, because the internal energy of resistor changes by that quantity, just as if heat would flow into resistor.

Keep in mind that electric current can be treated as infinitely hot or absolutely cold, so you can sort of think of it as resistor drawing heat from infinitely hot source.
 
K^2. So – re your middle paragraph – you're replacing the irreversible work done electrically on the resistor by an equivalent inflow of heat. Perfectly valid, of course, though not (I'd venture to suggest) for beginners. But who said your comment was for beginners?
 

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