Is it illegal to reproduce someone circuit schematic in your paper ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the legality of reproducing a circuit schematic from a previous paper in a new academic paper, particularly focusing on issues of copyright, fair use, and the necessity of obtaining permission from the original author. Participants explore the implications of citing sources and the conditions under which reproducing diagrams may be permissible.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether reproducing a circuit schematic with proper citation is illegal and whether permission is needed, especially for a paper that is 17 years old.
  • Another participant notes that copyright lasts longer than 17 years and inquires about the specifics of using diagrams from other sources.
  • Concerns are raised about the simplicity of the circuit and whether it is available in other references, along with the status of the original author for permission requests.
  • Some participants suggest that quoting the source and drawing the circuit independently may change the legal implications, with one noting that fair use might apply if the reproduction is for commentary.
  • There is a discussion about copyright covering literal images and words but not ideas, suggesting that drawing the circuit without credit may not constitute a legal violation, though it could be an academic issue.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of understanding copyright laws, which vary by country.
  • Another participant raises the question of the intended use of the paper, suggesting that publication in a journal may involve adherence to specific rules regarding copyright.
  • A humorous remark is made about the longevity of individuals who might sue for citation infringement in academia.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the legality and ethical considerations of reproducing circuit schematics, with no consensus reached on whether permission is necessary or if fair use applies in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of copyright issues, the potential for fair use, and the need for clarity on the original paper's copyright status, which remains unresolved.

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hi guys
i am trying to write a paper based on someone previous paper in which he discussed a simple electric circuit on some topic , my question is : is it illegal for me to reproduce the circuit schematic using multisim or something and properly cite them in my paper ?
or i need their permeation for that , and what if the paper is 17 years old .
 
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patric44 said:
i am trying to write a paper based on someone previous paper in which he discussed a simple electric circuit on some topic
How simple? Is it simple enough that it is shown in other references (like databooks, application notes, textbooks)? What was that 17 year old publication about? Was it copyrighted? Does it look like the author is still around so that you could ping them with an e-mail asking for permission?
 
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IANAL but just to make sure we are talking about the same thing: definitely if you quote the source and draw the circuit by yourself it is a completely different situation than if you just reproduce the diagram by photocopying it this or other way.
 
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Reproducing an excerpt of a copyrighted work and citing the source in order to comment on it usually falls within fair use in the US

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

if that is what you are doing, just go for it. The copyright holder can object, but can only sue for damages if they can prove you profited from misappropriating their work.
 
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Also not a lawyer, but the copyright typically covers the literal images and words, but does not cover ideas (not copyrightable, but patentable if that's appropriate). So if you just draw the circuit yourself and don't give them credit I think you're not committing a federal crime (though you are committing an academic one)
 
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Mentor Note -- we are getting close to giving legal advice in some of these responses, and I'm pretty sure none of us are IP lawyers...

@patric44 -- Please respond to my questions in Post #3. Thank you.
 
Illegal where? Copyright laws depend on the country.
 
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berkeman said:
How simple? Is it simple enough that it is shown in other references (like databooks, application notes, textbooks)? What was that 17 year old publication about? Was it copyrighted? Does it look like the author is still around so that you could ping them with an e-mail asking for permission?
the original author constructed a circuit that might be used for educational purposes to demonstrate some physical concept , the auther derived some differential equations related to it , my paper are based on a numerical solution of the differential equations deduced from their paper , so basically i am citing them very much every where in the my paper, i don't know if it was copyrighted or not , but i am assuming that it might not be since their original paper urge the use of such circuits to demonstrate the physical concept , i redrawed the circuit in my paper using multisim , referring that its their circuit and continued my discussion from that
 
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What are you going to use your paper for? If it's to be published in a journal the journal will probably know the rules.
 
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Would people that sue others for citing their work last long in academia?
 

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