Is it possible to integrate acceleration?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of integrating acceleration to derive velocity, particularly in the context of Lagrangian mechanics. Participants explore mathematical approaches and physical interpretations related to equations of motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation of motion and expresses uncertainty about integrating acceleration to find velocity.
  • Another participant provides a general form for integrating the sine function, which may not directly relate to the original question.
  • A different participant suggests a mathematical manipulation involving the second derivative of position, indicating a method to separate variables for integration.
  • One participant claims to have derived a velocity equation from the motion equation, implying that integration is indeed possible.
  • Another participant questions whether the angle α is constant or a function of time, suggesting that this could complicate the integration process and invites clarification on the physical system involved.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility of integrating acceleration, with some proposing methods while others raise questions about the assumptions involved, particularly regarding the constancy of parameters.

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There are unresolved assumptions about the nature of α and its dependence on time, which may affect the integration process. The discussion includes various mathematical approaches that have not been fully reconciled.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying mechanics, particularly in the context of Lagrangian dynamics and integration techniques in physics.

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Alright so I was just messing around with Lagrangian equation, I just learned about it, and I had gotten to this equation of motion:
Mg*sin{α} - 1.5m*x(double dot)=0

I am trying to get velocity, and my first thought was to integrate with dt, but I didn't know how to. And I'm not even sure it's possible, anyways, thanks!
 
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##\int \sin(x) dx = -\cos(x)##

That is the general form for integrating ##\sin(x)##.
 
##\int d^2x = x dx##
 
Turns out it's possible to do so;
X(dot)=2/3*gt*sin(α)
 
Madtasmo said:
I had gotten to this equation of motion:
Mg*sin{α} - 1.5m*x(double dot)=0
Surely you’ve seen ##\ddot x = ## constant.
To find ##\dot x## you use ##\ddot x =\frac{d}{dt}\dot x## and separate.

Another common trick worth knowing is from the chain rule:
$$ \frac{d^2x}{dt^2} =\frac{d\dot x}{dt} =\frac{dx}{dt} \frac{d\dot x}{dx} =\dot x \frac{d\dot x}{dx} $$
For example, if you have Newton’s law in the form ##m\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}=F(x)## then the chain rule makes it separable, from which we get the (1-D) work energy theorem (for point masses).
 
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Isn't your alpha a function of time too? If alpha were constant, integrating would be trivial. But is'it? What is the physical system described by the equation?
 

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