Is it possible to move air using a magnetic field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the feasibility of moving air using a magnetic field, particularly in the context of applications like fans. Participants explore the underlying physics and the conditions necessary for such movement, including the potential role of ionization.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a strong enough magnetic field can move air, seeking to understand the physics involved and how to quantify the required field strength.
  • A second participant references magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) drives, suggesting they may provide relevant insights into the topic.
  • Another participant raises a concern that MHD typically requires a conductive medium, such as salt water or plasma, and questions whether it can be applied to air under normal conditions.
  • A later reply proposes that ionizing the air, for instance through dielectric discharge plasma, could enable air movement using magnetic fields, noting that this method can be achieved at nearly ordinary room temperature and pressure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of MHD to air, with some suggesting ionization as a potential solution while others remain skeptical about the feasibility of moving air without a conductive medium.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the conditions under which air can be moved and the nature of the magnetic fields required, which remain unresolved.

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Is it possible to move air using a strong enough magnetic field? Let's say for something like a fan.

If so, what's the physics behind how that would work, and how would you quantify how strong the magnetic field would need to be?
 
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I thought MHD requires a conductive medium, such as salt water or plasma.

Are you saying MHD can be applied to air at normal temperatures and pressures?
 
If you ionize the air you can do it, for example using dielectric discharge plasma, which is a non-thermal plasma at nearly ordinary room temperature and pressure and is cheap and easy to produce.
 

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