Is it practical to make an electromagnet that causes a 200N force?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of constructing an electromagnet capable of generating a force of at least 200N to attract a loose piece of iron within a solenoid. Participants explore design considerations, practical implementations, and the underlying physics of electromagnetism, including magnetic circuits and force generation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a design involving a solenoid with an iron core and a loose piece of iron, questioning its practicality.
  • Another participant mentions that DC solenoid actuators can generate forces over 200N, particularly when the air gap is minimized, emphasizing the importance of a good magnetic circuit.
  • A different participant expresses skepticism about the original design, specifically regarding the field gradient and the travel distance of the piston, suggesting that achieving 200N is feasible but may require a smaller model for testing.
  • The initial poster seeks to maintain a constant force of 200N over the plunger's travel distance and inquires about the effect of varying current on the force required to pull the plunger.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that achieving a force of 200N is possible, but there are differing opinions on the design's effectiveness and the factors influencing force generation, such as the air gap and the travel distance of the piston. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal design and implementation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the significance of the air gap in the magnetic circuit and the relationship between stored energy and force, but specific mathematical steps and assumptions are not fully explored or agreed upon.

TimT
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I'm trying to construct an electromagnet that, when a loose piece of iron is inside the solenoid, will create a field that will attract that piece of iron with at least 200N of force. My thought is that I can fill half of the solenoid with an iron core, leaving space in the other half for the loose piece of iron. I've tried to draw a picture of what I'm thinking below.

http://tinypic.com/r/2jdjak9/6
http://tinypic.com/r/2jdjak9/6

Can anyone tell me if this is something practical that I can make?
 
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Dc solenoid actuators probably generate over 200N (~20 pounds) force, when pulling in the iron plunger. The highest force is probably in solenoid actuators with T-shaped plungers. As the gap in the iron gets smaller, the force gets larger, and when the gap is ~1 mm or less, the force is very high. There is a wide variety of commercial solenoid actuators available.

Having a good magnetic circuit is very important. Most of the magnetic energy in the magnetic circuit is actually in the air gap. If W is the stored energy in the gap, then the force in direction x is the partial derivative

Fx = ∂W/∂x, so the force is very high when the magnetic gap is small.

Bob S
 
I am not so sure about your design especially I wonder if the metal on the bottom will cause enough of a field gradient.

A question you need to answer is, how far your piston has to travel. Making something stick with 200N force is much easier than pulling is over some distance.

200N is very much achievable. I would build a smaller model measure the force, and then use theory to scale it up.
 
Thanks so much for the replies. My goal is have the force on the plunger be relatively constant over the distance it travels. Or, to phrase it another way, a person pulling on the plunger would have to exert a constant force of 200N to bring the plunger out from a fully depressed position (except perhaps with a barrier to prevent the plunger from actually touching the iron core.) Do you think this would be approximately the case if I use a solenoid actuator of about an inch long?

Also, could I vary the force required to pull the plunger with reasonable accuracy by varying the current through the solenoid?
 

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