Is it Reasonable to Assume a Circular S in Proving Properties of a Cone?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a solid cone derived from a plane region S, specifically questioning the assumption that S is circular. Participants are tasked with proving the relationships between the cross-sectional area and volume of the cone based on the area of S and its altitude.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants explore whether it is reasonable to assume S is circular, with differing opinions on the implications of this assumption. Others suggest that the properties can hold for non-circular shapes as well.
  • Participants discuss the scaling of dimensions in relation to the altitude of the cone and how this affects the area and volume calculations.
  • Questions arise regarding the reasoning behind the squared term in the cross-sectional area and how to visualize the scaling of dimensions as one moves up the cone.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the generality of the results, indicating that the properties can apply to various shapes of S, not just circular ones. There is an active exploration of how to approach the problem mathematically, particularly in understanding the scaling factors involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express frustration over visualizing the scaling of dimensions and the relationship between the area and the altitude of the cone. There is a focus on the need for clarity regarding the assumptions made about the shape of S and how they influence the proofs required.

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Homework Statement


A solid cone is obtained by connecting every point of a plane region S with a vertex not in the plane of S. Let A denote the area of S, and let h denote the altitude of the cone. Prove that:

(a) The cross-sectional area cut by a plane parallel to the base and at a distance t from the vertex is (t/h)2A, where 0 ≤ t ≤ h, and

(b) the volume of the cone is Ah/3.

The Attempt at a Solution

Before I attempt this, I'd just like to know whether or not it is reasonable to assume that S is circular. This would make the A equal to pi*(radius of S)2. I think

the limit as t goes to h of (t/h) is 1. Then, the change in radius of the circle is given by (radius of S)(t/h). This means that the area of the circle given the change in t is

pi*(radius of S)2(t/h)2, which is what I wanted to show. (I find this to be the most unconvincing part of my post)

In order to find the volume, I integrate. I have

∫(0≤t≤h) (pi*(radius of S)2(t/h)2)dt

(pi*(radius of S)2/h2 * (t)3/3, evaluated from 0 to h. So I have pi*(radius of S)2/h2 * h3 = 1/3 * pi * (radius of S)2 * h,

which is also what I wanted.

Look okay?
 
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TranscendArcu said:

Homework Statement


A solid cone is obtained by connecting every point of a plane region S with a vertex not in the plane of S. Let A denote the area of S, and let h denote the altitude of the cone. Prove that:

(a) The cross-sectional area cut by a plane parallel to the base and at a distance t from the vertex is (t/h)2A, where 0 ≤ t ≤ h, and

(b) the volume of the cone is Ah/3.

The Attempt at a Solution

Before I attempt this, I'd just like to know whether or not it is reasonable to assume that S is circular.

I would say it is not reasonable to make that assumption. That is a special case and working with might give you insight, but it is not a solution to the question asked.
 
Hi TranscendArcu! :smile:

If you assume that S is circular, it looks okay.

However, the statement also holds if S is not circular.
For that you would for instance divide S into a partition of (infinitesimal) rectangles.
Each rectangle scales down in length and width...

Btw, for part (b) you do not have to assume that S is circular.
You can use the result of (a) to find the volume of the cone.
 
And also note that the "cone" may be slanted.
 
So I get part b. That's pretty easy. But I don't really understand how I can work (t/h)2 into part a. I thought my reasoning was pretty weak in the circular example above.

To me, it seems to me like the the area at any cross section of the cone should just be A(t/h). But clearly this isn't so. How should I be thinking about this differently to see where the squared term comes in?
 
Suppose S is a rectangle with width W and height H.
Going up (slanted or not), the rectangle's dimensions would scale down.
By how much?

Now suppose S consists of many small rectangles...

Now make the rectangles smaller and keep increasing the number of rectangles to infinity...
 
This is so frustrating. I assume that the dimensions scale down by a factor of (t/h)^2. Is there a formula or something that I might need in order to show this? I've tried fiddling around with rectangles and attempted to use the Pythagorean Theorem in vain. The problem is that I can't visually see how, say, W and the new dimension dimension for W (call it W') vary as we move up. I can see W' ≤ W, but that's about it at this point.
 
A rectangle edge and your vertex together form a triangle.

If you draw lines segments within the triangle, parallel to your rectangle edge, their lengths will decrease linearly until you reach the vertex.
If you want, this can be proven with vector algebra or trig identities.

In other words, the width W of a rectangle scales down with t/h.
That is: W(t) = t/h Wo.

The same thing for the length of the rectangle.
 

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