Is Love planned? Need desperate answer...

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The discussion revolves around the nature of love, exploring whether it is a planned biological process or a spontaneous emotional experience. Participants examine the roles of genetics, pheromones, and social influences in romantic attraction, while also touching on concepts like reincarnation and determinism.

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  • One participant suggests that love involves a release of endorphins triggered by specific stimuli, questioning whether this process is planned or instinctual.
  • Another participant references a study on love but expresses skepticism about the role of pheromones in attraction.
  • A participant challenges the idea of reincarnation in relation to love, asserting that genes provide a basis for attraction but do not dictate specific romantic choices.
  • Some participants propose that psychological factors, including unconscious memories, may influence attraction, while others emphasize the role of social and cultural elements.
  • One participant dismisses the notion of past lives affecting love, insisting that attraction is rooted in biological and social factors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the influence of genetics, social factors, and philosophical considerations on love. There is no consensus on whether love is planned or spontaneous, and discussions about reincarnation and determinism remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of love, noting that various factors, including genetics, personal experiences, and cultural influences, contribute to romantic attraction. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of how these elements interact.

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What happens when we fall in love? As a result of certain stimuli, the hypothalamus releases a powerful discharge of endorphins, but why exactly that woman or that man? Is there a release of odorless pheromones that correspond to a complimentary genetic signal? Or is it physical features that we recognize? A mother's eyes, a smell that stimulates a happy memory. Is love part of a plan? A vast war plan between two modes of reproduction. Bacteria and viruses are asexual organisms. With each cell division, each multiplication, they mutate and perfect themselves much more quickly than we do. Against this, we respond with the most fearsome weapon: Sex. Two individuals, by mixing their genes, shuffle the cards and create an individual who resists viruses better the more disimilar he or she is. Now, are we unknowing participants in a war between two modes of reproduction? In other words is it really planned or do we just follow whatever our hearts tells us? I am really confused..
 
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The answer to your first question "What happens when we fall in love?" is addressed in a study published in the Journal of Neurophysiology, July 2010.
Here is a link: http://jn.physiology.org/content/104/1/51. As far as why a particular man or woman, I recall a recent (a few years ago) article that I cannot locate. It said that if you stay on a friendly, non-romantic for the first month of associating with someone, that romance is very unlikely.

My guess would be that pheromones have nothing to do with it.

Don't get too desperate.
 
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The answer to your first question "What happens when we fall in love?" is addressed in a study published in the Journal of Neurophysiology, July 2010.
Here is a link: http://jn.physiology.org/content/104/1/51. As far as why a particular man or woman, I recall a recent (a few years ago) article that I cannot locate. It said that if you stay on a friendly, non-romantic for the first month of associating with someone, that romance is very unlikely.

My guess would be that pheromones have nothing to do with it.

Don't get too desperate.
Im just looking for a good answer if its really in our GENES, like for example is our love life from the past and i mean reincarnation?
 
You seem to have read some new age baloney since you first posted this in the quantum physics forum and now you talk about reincarnation. Genes are biological data, in the form of molecular configurations, inherited from your parents.

As far as genes go, of course they code human tendency to seek a partner. But that is very vague, because some individuals are asexual, or choose celibacy, others choose partners that have little chance of survival (in some European 1800s culture women affected by syphilis were considered attractive). The same goes with pheromones, they have nothing to do with precisely whom you fall in love; or the releases in endorphins or oxytocin, they correspond to that experience but they don't start it. So the genes only provide some basis, and later the experiential baggage does the rest.

As for determinism goes, "we're in a war between different organisms", you can see something in many different ways. You can still see a psychological determinism if you get rid of the biological one: your unconscious memories determine who you're attracted to. Or you can say "I follow my heart". The point for me is moot: it may depend on the context, and the three options (not that there aren't others, it's just an example) may well be one and the same: for example if you don't conceptualize a split between yourself and the physical body, the physical cannot "determine" you like a puppet, because it is you, and so your decisions or "following your heart" are yours and the physical processes all the same. It's just philosophy so all options are moot.
 
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Im just looking for a good answer if its really in our GENES, like for example is our love life from the past and i mean reincarnation?
Would it be too much to consider that you may get to make the choice yourself?
 
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Human capacity for love is determined by our genes only inasmuch as the emergent consequence of our genetics throughout development is the capacity for love. In terms of why people find specific stimuli attractive there's certainly a strong social/cultural element working off of innate biological sexuality.

It has nothing to do with past lives or any other nonsense.
 
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