Is mass relevant on a frictionless surface?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relevance of mass when applying force to objects on a frictionless surface. Participants explore the implications of mass on motion, particularly in the context of constant speed and acceleration, as well as the role of friction in force calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that on a frictionless surface, applying a force continuously would lead to constant acceleration, questioning the role of mass in this scenario.
  • Another participant states that in the absence of friction, velocity remains constant unless acted upon by an external force.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding whether a greater mass would affect the resulting velocity if the same force is applied.
  • One participant introduces the concept of impulse, stating that a constant force applied over time results in a change in velocity that is inversely proportional to mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of mass when applying force on a frictionless surface, with some agreeing that mass influences acceleration while others question the relationship in specific scenarios. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of mass on velocity under constant force.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the application of force and the conditions under which mass becomes relevant.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying classical mechanics, particularly in understanding the dynamics of motion on frictionless surfaces and the interplay between mass and force.

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I was looking at a problem: http://gyazo.com/c872ea999197823a42568809f9d97d3f
and I understood that the reason that the force would have to be greater on a surface with friction because the equation for the force of friction is dependent on mass (μk * mg) and with two masses it essentially becomes Mk *2mg.

But the explanation: http://gyazo.com/43b305b3a9159d23ab94fb722a9454d8
got me thinking of what would happen if the surface were frictionless? If I want to push something to a constant speed on a frictionless surface, that would involve a force being applied at a single instant, wouldn't it? Pushing it consistently even with with the same force would continue to accelerate it, I would think. And the reasoning provided by this book implies that the whole reason it would take more force is due to the frictional force applied by the floor on the bottom block.
I can understand that mass is relevant when trying to constantly accelerate a block because F/m = a but does that apply to forces applied only at a single instant in time.
 
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If there is no friction, then the velocity would be constant in the absence of applied or other forces.
 
Dr. Courtney said:
If there is no friction, then the velocity would be constant in the absence of applied or other forces.
Oh, I understand that. But what I'm asking is if the mass were greater and the same force were applied, would the velocity be any different?
 
Sure. A constant force F applied for a time t, gives an impulse F*t.

The resulting velocity v for a mass m will be v = F*t/m
 
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