Is My Mathematical Proof Correct?

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The discussion revolves around the correctness of a mathematical proof related to sequences, specifically focusing on an inductive step in the proof. Participants are examining the assumptions and logical flow of the proof in question.

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  • Participants are analyzing the inductive step of the proof, questioning the validity of the assumptions made regarding the bounds of the sequences involved. There are discussions about the implications of the inequalities used and whether they hold under the given conditions.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the inductive step, suggesting adjustments to ensure the proof's validity. There is an exploration of whether the proof can be applied to a related problem, with differing opinions on its applicability. The discussion is ongoing, with no clear consensus reached.

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Do you think my answer is correct? If not, can you tell me why it is wrong?

Thanks in advance
 

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This looks fine, but you need to slightly re-adjust the inductive step. There you assume that ##|s_{n+k}-s_n|<\epsilon## and then carry on with
$$
\begin{eqnarray*}
|s_{n+k+1}-s_n|
& = & |s_{n+k+1}-s_{n+k}+s_{n+k}-s_n| \\
& \leq & |s_{n+k+1}-s_{n+k}|+|s_{n+k}-s_n| \\
& < & \frac\epsilon2 + \frac\epsilon2.
\end{eqnarray*}
$$
That last line should be "##\ldots<\epsilon+\epsilon##". Which means you need to go back in your proof and somehow ensure that ##|s_{n+k}-s_n|## and ##|s_{n+k+1}-s_{n+k}|## are together less than ##\epsilon##, not each separately.
 
Michael Redei said:
This looks fine, but you need to slightly re-adjust the inductive step. There you assume that ##|s_{n+k}-s_n|<\epsilon## and then carry on with
$$
\begin{eqnarray*}
|s_{n+k+1}-s_n|
& = & |s_{n+k+1}-s_{n+k}+s_{n+k}-s_n| \\
& \leq & |s_{n+k+1}-s_{n+k}|+|s_{n+k}-s_n| \\
& < & \frac\epsilon2 + \frac\epsilon2.
\end{eqnarray*}
$$
That last line should be "##\ldots<\epsilon+\epsilon##". Which means you need to go back in your proof and somehow ensure that ##|s_{n+k}-s_n|## and ##|s_{n+k+1}-s_{n+k}|## are together less than ##\epsilon##, not each separately.

Ok, thanks a lot :smile:
 
Michael Redei said:
This looks fine, but you need to slightly re-adjust the inductive step. There you assume that ##|s_{n+k}-s_n|<\epsilon## and then carry on with
$$
\begin{eqnarray*}
|s_{n+k+1}-s_n|
& = & |s_{n+k+1}-s_{n+k}+s_{n+k}-s_n| \\
& \leq & |s_{n+k+1}-s_{n+k}|+|s_{n+k}-s_n| \\
& < & \frac\epsilon2 + \frac\epsilon2.
\end{eqnarray*}
$$
That last line should be "##\ldots<\epsilon+\epsilon##". Which means you need to go back in your proof and somehow ensure that ##|s_{n+k}-s_n|## and ##|s_{n+k+1}-s_{n+k}|## are together less than ##\epsilon##, not each separately.

Question 10.6 in this link:
http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~johnsonb/Welcome_files/104/104hw3sum06.pdf

is the same as the one that I solved...

But in part (b), it says that this result is not true for [tex]|s_{n+1} - s_n| < 1/n[/tex]. And I was a bit confused...because can't I use the same proof for this one too?

Thanks in advance
 
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Unfortunately your present proof doesn't work. Your assumption is that [itex]|s_{n+k} - s_n| < \epsilon[/itex], and you know that [itex]|s_{n+ k +1} - s_{n+k}| < 2^{-(n+k)}[/itex]. The inductive step is then
[tex] |s_{n+k + 1} - s_n| \leq |s_{n+k+1}-s_{n+k}| + |s_{n+k} - s_n| < 2^{-(n+k)} + \epsilon[/tex]
But, sadly, [itex]2^{-(n+k)} + \epsilon > \epsilon[/itex] for all [itex]n[/itex] and [itex]k[/itex]. So you can't conclude that [itex]|s_{n+k+1}- s_n| < \epsilon[/itex], even though this might be the case. (If your inductive step doesn't make use of the given bound on [itex]|s_{n+k +1} - s_{n+k}|[/itex], then your proof is almost certainly flawed.)

The best proof is probably the one given.
 

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