Is Octuplet Mom's Reality Show Deal a New Low in Celebrity Obsession?

[lonton]

I have no idea of what * means. Are you talking about yourself ?

 

[cristo]

I have no idea of what * means. Are you talking about yourself ?

He means 'female dog.'

 

[lonton]

Thanks cristo,

 

[Phrak]

How many is too many?

I think the answer in this case is 14, as you and I will be paying mama prolificas bills.

 

[Vanadium 50]

How many is too many?

I think the answer in this case is 14, as you and I will be paying mama prolificas bills.

So do you think society should decide how many children a woman should be allowed to bear? There is some precedent for this.

 

[Astronuc]

So do you think society should decide how many children a woman should be allowed to bear?

In Suleman's case - yes! Or put another way, does society have a right to prevent one from imposing one's burden on the rest of society?

Does society have the right to expect one to be responsible for one's acts, one's care, or one's children?

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-octuplets31-2009jan31,0,6246659.story

The LATimes story says she had twins and 4 other children, before the octuplets. I think that likely rules out the possibility of sextuplets (sextuplets, then octuplets - jeez, that would be crazy!)

This seems to be true.
Also confirmed.
Nothing is said about this, so it is still a possibility.

I was working off of memory so I may be quite wrong on some of these "facts".
One of the crazier rumours is that she had all of these children by the same donor and that the donor is known. If this is the case we could see some interesting court cases.

 

[Phrak]

So do you think society should decide how many children a woman should be allowed to bear? There is some precedent for this.

I think laws of entitlement decide this. This is an extreme case. We've already been through 'The Great Society' in the democrat party's successful bid for the black vote. I think we should expect to live with it, as the extremes of that system, that monitarily encouraged fatherless families dependent on the public treasury, has been greatly reduced.

Am I wrong? Too much entitlement encouragements? Or too little help for those in need?

 

[LowlyPion]

And now for the rest of the story ...

Octuplets’ mother wants Oprah to turn her into a $2m TV star
... Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert after it emerged last week that she already had six children before giving birth on Monday.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5627531.ece

Octuplets' Mom Hires An Agent
Hattie Kauffman: She Hopes To Become TV Childcare Expert To Earn Living; She Used Settlement Proceeds For In-Vitro ... Suleman's mother told CBS News Nadya paid for in vitro fertilization with money from a legal settlement after a work accident.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/02/earlyshow/health/main4769209.shtml

I'd say she's looking like a prime time opportunist.

Next thing we'll know she will be attending an Alfalfa Club Dinner?

 

[LowlyPion]

I wonder does she have to try so hard to look like Angelina Jolie too?

Octuplets' birth spawns outrage from public

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-octuplets7-2009feb07,0,2129396.story

Still unknown is what clinic implanted the bumper crop. (I'll bet they are praying that never comes out.)

And the outrage of other Kaiser premium payers at the expense to date?

 

[Astronuc]

Apparently the sperm donor is a 'friend'.

I would expect him to pay for his children.

I can imagine that quite a few parents are upset by this woman who is expecting taxpayers to pay for her children.

"I feel as though I've been under the microscope because I chose this unconventional life," she said, suggesting there is a double standard because she's a single mother.

Apparently she doesn't get. Some might be upset about her being a single mother, but the rest of us are a bit outraged, because she expects others to support her irresponsible lifestyle. She (and presumably her parents) can't alone support 14 children, and certainly not their medical bills.

Unconventional lifestyle??! No - just irresponsible and selfish.

 

[LowlyPion]

And it gets worse.

Octuplets Mom Collected $168,000 in Disability Payments
... On Sept. 18, 1999, while on duty as a psychiatric technician at Metropolitan State Hospital in Norwalk, Calif., Suleman responded to an emergency alert called when 20 patients rioted.

"While she attempted to hold down a female patient, she was struck on her back by a desk that was thrown by another patient in the ward," according to a document submitted last year to a state claims examiner. "She experienced the onset of immediate pain in her low back."

Permanent Damage
Doctors advised her against taking a job that involved "prolonged sitting, standing and walking," according to the workers' comp documents.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20257478,00.html

Consider already the circumstances in a hospital where 20 patients are rioting. And she was working there.

 

[WhoWee]

Once you get past the shock of a single parent living with her bankrupt parents in a 3 bedroom house with 6 children, one of which is autistic, taking fertility treatments to have 8 additional babies (plus the cost of delivery, intensive care and follow up medical treatment) and all of the other costs to raise 14 children...the real issue comes into focus.

No...not whether or not she is planning more...who is going to raise these children? Who is going to feed them, burp them, sing them to sleep, read to them, wash their clothes, bathe them, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.

I know from experience (4 kids spread over 6 years) it's a lot of work and there's never enough time or attention to needs. Kids have unlimited needs.

Money doesn't solve all problems.

 

[OmCheeto]

And it gets worse.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20257478,00.html

Permanent Damage
Doctors advised her against taking a job that involved "prolonged sitting, standing and walking," according to the workers' comp documents.

Consider already the circumstances in a hospital where 20 patients are rioting. And she was working there.

Well, now that the facts of the story are finally being brought to light, it's starting to make more sense. If she can't sit, stand, or walk, her only option is to lay on her back for the rest of her life and pump out babies. How can anyone not see the logic?

And how cruel of those broadcasters to make her sit through those interviews. Didn't they realize that she was in pain? She should have been interviewed on her back.

And what of all those people who can't have babies? I think Nadya plays an important role by providing a scenario that provides hope and inspiration to those who are childless, living vicariously through her generous gift to the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/sFBOQzSk14c&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/sFBOQzSk14c&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Monty Python's Life Of Brian - The Immaculate Edition (1979)

Makes you wonder if Terry Gilliam isn't the father.

 

[LowlyPion]

What of her own parents?

Was she never told no?

Was she possibly never spanked?

What told her it was ok to sponge off society and burden the world with more of her brew ... and as chilling - imparting her way of thinking to this cult of her progeny that she has literally spewed from her loins in such excess?

 

[JorgeLobo]

The doc giving her fertility treatment should pay child support for the kids.

 

[Phrak]

She's a role model. Will she be having 8 more?

 

[WhoWee]

What of her own parents?

Was she never told no?

Was she possibly never spanked?

What told her it was ok to sponge off society and burden the world with more of her brew ... and as chilling - imparting her way of thinking to this cult of her progeny that she has literally spewed from her loins in such excess?

Well I guess in this case if they didn't they'll probably wish they had...17 people in their 3 bedroom ranch.

 

[OmCheeto]

Well I guess in this case if they didn't they'll probably wish they had...17 people in their 3 bedroom ranch.

That's only 4 sets of bunk beds per room, assuming of course that the little whelper of a princess gets her own room. I'm sure grammy and grampy won't mind.

 

[LowlyPion]

She's a role model. Will she be having 8 more?

No apparently she cleaned out the fridge of all those fertilized eggs she had laying around.

 

[Loren Booda]

Has anyone in this thread mentioned how many impoverished children in this world could be brought up by the expenses (prenatal, birth, follow-up, child welfare, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare...) this greedy woman has saddled the U.S. government with? I find it hard to forgive a "child abuser."

 

[Phrak]

Has anyone in this thread mentioned how many impoverished children in this world could be brought up by the expenses (prenatal, birth, follow-up, child welfare, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare...) this greedy woman has saddled the U.S. government with? I find it hard to forgive a "child abuser."

How many of these impoverished children have you brought up with your own funds?

 

[Phrak]

No apparently she cleaned out the fridge of all those fertilized eggs she had laying around.

No problem. I bet she has thousands of eggs just ready to pop. I think you can get as many as 32 per egg by division.

 

[mcknia07]

I'm sorry, but just looking and hearing about this craziness...all I can say is, "Hello welfare, here I come. Thanks all you American's!"

Ok, so working in the medical field, I have seen some things similar, but where on Earth did she get the money for the fertility drug, or is that a new welfare treatment? I have never seen anything to such the extreme. Why on Earth does she want anymore kids? I think 6 was plenty, if not more than good, lol.

 

[Loren Booda]

How many of these impoverished children have you brought up with your own funds?

None. My chief concern is that several million dollars could have been saved for supporting a hundredfold other children throughout their own childhood (the octuplets and their siblings, unlike their mother, are not at fault to me). I pay taxes, have taught children from birth to adulthood, have avoided passing on genetic disorders, and support charities for children - more than most.

 

[Evo]

How many of these impoverished children have you brought up with your own funds?

That makes no sense. Are you asking how many children he's fathered that are sucking up public money?

I blame tv shows like the Discovery Health channel that glamorizes irresponsible people like the Duggar's that rake in money by having too many children. Also, the money, media exposure and advertising thrown at women that have had multiple births as a result of fertilization treatments. The world is horribly over populated and population control is so important. I can't believe that baby factories like the Duggars have a tv show. What is wrong with this country that such blatant disregard for over population gets a tv show?

 

[Proton Soup]

well, look on the bright side. at least social security will still be there when you retire.

 

[Phrak]

That makes no sense. Are you asking how many children he's fathered that are sucking up public money?

No...

 

[LowlyPion]

Yikes.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/02/0212_octomom_pregnant_pictures_ex5.jpg

 

[Math Is Hard]

Yikes.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/02/0212_octomom_pregnant_pictures_ex5.jpg

I saw that yesterday and gagged. People just weren't designed to carry litters.

 

[lisab]

I saw that yesterday and gagged. People just weren't designed to carry litters.

Exactly...we have two breasts. Two! Not eight !

 

[Proton Soup]

someone should suit up and lance that thing

 

[OmCheeto]

Exactly...we have two breasts. Two! Not eight !

Those kids over at halfbakery.com
If you can imagine it, they've talked about it.

http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Polymastia_20Pornography"
tit for tit for tit for tat

A new genre of adult film/plastic surgery wherein starlets flaunt numerous pairs of bosoms, for novelty and notoriety.

If four is better than two, then eight is great! But is eight enough?
— nihilo, Jul 12 2006

There's the solution. Plastic surgery. Just add 6 more boobs.

What a lovely photo that would make. :!)

 

[LowlyPion]

There's the solution. Plastic surgery. Just add 6 more boobs.

Supernumerary nipples are apparently already programmed into the genome.

Just a little fiddling with some genes ... and no plastic surgeons required.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernumerary_nipples

 

[LowlyPion]

That could give new meaning to

"Hey that's quite a six pack you have there."

 

[Proton Soup]

you guys know about Rule 34, right?

Supernumerary nipples are apparently already programmed into the genome.

Just a little fiddling with some genes ... and no plastic surgeons required.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernumerary_nipples

i remember, back around jr high, seeing a pic of a woman in a magazine with 3 breasts. this was way before schwartzeneggar's movie. i don't know if it was real, i was still naive to prosthetics and airbrushing.

 

[LowlyPion]

Man Gave Sperm 3 Times, Believes He May Be Octuplets' Dad
'GMA' to Reveal Identity of Man Who Could Be Octuplets' Father

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/WomensHealth/Story?id=6928821&page=1

So they must be his? OK. Get out the checkbook bub.

(The story relates other titillating facts.)

 

[rootX]

2 according to ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7884138.stm
(I haven't gone through all the thread so not sure if the link is already posted).

Re: 8 + 6 ... How many is too many?

SavingsPerYearWithoutAnyChildren/12K$

 

[WhoWee]

Have you noticed she's never photographed taking care of the original 6 children...not even the disabled or autistic one.

 

[LowlyPion]

Have you noticed she's never photographed taking care of the original 6 children...not even the disabled or autistic one.

Apparently that's what the grandparents are for?

Her parents and food stamps and public charity of course.

 

[Math Is Hard]

First it made me laugh.

http://www.alternapop.com/images/wordpress_post/2009/octo_mom.jpg

...then it made me cry, when I picked up on the state (as in my tax dollars) replacing the Daddy.

 

[WhoWee]

Here's another twist...Octo-Porn?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,500688,00.html

 

[OmCheeto]

First it made me laugh.

http://www.alternapop.com/images/wordpress_post/2009/octo_mom.jpg

...then it made me cry, when I picked up on the state (as in my tax dollars) replacing the Daddy.

I'll send you $10 if you can get me one of those window stickers.

I'll add northern state commentary and snicker snicker finger pointing graffiti myself.

Actually. My niece could probably come up with something much funnier than I.

She's studying graphic arts down at UCSF right now.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Here's another twist...Octo-Porn?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,500688,00.html

on the way to work tonight I heard an interview with a woman from a competing company who says they are offering her one year of free clothe diapers if she agrees not to do porn. lol
apparently they haven't heard back from her but then they didn't say when they mailed her their offer either.

 

[LowlyPion]

Octo Mom's New Publicist Quits: "This Woman Is Nuts"
Saturday March 7, 2009
Octo Mom Nadya Suleman is without a publicist -- again.

Victor Munoz tells Usmagazine.com that he quit as Suleman's rep Friday night.

"It just got to be too much," he says. "It's pretty much a free for all over there right now. They are freaking out right now.

"Not to sound arrogant, but those people depended on me for everything," he continues. "You have no idea what I’ve had to do for these people.

"Nadya got real greedy. This woman is nuts," he adds. "This I can say: what ultimately destroyed the business arrangement was personal reasons."

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/octo-mom-second-publicist-quits-200973

 

[WhoWee]

If any of these babies die, OctoMom and her doctor should be charged...they conspired to create a situation placing young lives at risk for financial gain. The doctor earned ($165,000 in fees?) and her motive is clearly financial.

 

[LowlyPion]

If any of these babies die, OctoMom and her doctor should be charged...they conspired to create a situation placing young lives at risk for financial gain. The doctor earned ($165,000 in fees?) and her motive is clearly financial.

That's a little extreme.

Certainly there are medical ethics issues involved, but criminalizing stupidity could mean maybe arresting a good part (actually the not so good part) of Congress and certainly a large percentage of the CPAC attendees.

 

[WhoWee]

Let's see...putting human life at risk to make a buck vs clapping for Rush?

I don't see the equality.

 

[Redbelly98]

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/octo-mom-second-publicist-quits-200973
"This woman is nuts"

This is just the law of averages at work. There are a lot of people in the world, and a number of them are bound to lack common sense or good judgement. That's why I blame the fertility clinic staff for this whole mess. They are supposed to use their knowledge and expertise to advise people like this woman, and if warranted refuse to give fertility treatments.

Same goes for banks that lend money to people who can't afford a mortgage, and Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon as well.

 

[LowlyPion]

A new house for the Suleman Swarm
Dad's buying.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/03/09/octomom-new-house/

4 bedrooms 3 baths 14 kids.

The neighbors must be thrilled that at least some real estate is moving in CA.

EDIT: Apparently Dad isn't buying:

Octuplets mom says she's paying for new house

4 hours ago

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The Southern California mother of octuplets said in a video posted online Wednesday that she — not her parents — is paying for the four-bedroom, three-bath home where she plans to raise her brood.

In the video posted on RadarOnline.com, Nadya Suleman disputed earlier remarks by the house's listing agent, who said her father was buying the home.

Suleman said she made the initial payment on the house, which she was leasing with an option to buy. Her parents, she said, "had nothing to do with it."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilIx-PXnXPpwF1a_nlRYF00fzBIQD96RRS300