Is Octuplet Mom's Reality Show Deal a New Low in Celebrity Obsession?

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The discussion revolves around the circumstances and implications of a woman giving birth to octuplets while already having six children. Participants explore themes of fertility treatments, societal norms regarding parenting, and the responsibilities of single motherhood. The conversation touches on both personal opinions and broader societal issues, including the ethics of having large families and the potential motivations behind such decisions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express disbelief at the decision to take fertility drugs while already having six children, questioning the motivations behind such choices.
  • Others suggest that the use of fertility drugs may have been illegal or unethical, drawing comparisons to other public figures and questioning mental health implications.
  • A few participants note that the report does not explicitly state the use of fertility drugs, while others reference claims made by the mother regarding fertility treatments.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of raising 14 children in a small home, with some questioning the financial and emotional implications for a single mother.
  • Historical perspectives are offered, comparing modern large families to past societal norms where larger families were common for economic reasons.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of parenting without marriage, debating the significance of legal commitment versus cohabitation in raising children.
  • Questions arise about the involvement of the father(s) and whether the mother is expecting state support for her children.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the appropriateness of the mother's actions or the implications of her situation. Disagreement exists regarding the ethics of fertility treatments, the responsibilities of single parents, and societal views on marriage and parenting.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reflect assumptions about the motivations behind having large families, the legality of fertility treatments, and the societal expectations of parenting, which remain unresolved within the discussion.

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  • #92
Here's another twist...Octo-Porn?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,500688,00.html
 
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  • #93
Math Is Hard said:
First it made me laugh.

http://www.alternapop.com/images/wordpress_post/2009/octo_mom.jpg

...then it made me cry, when I picked up on the state (as in my tax dollars) replacing the Daddy.

I'll send you $10 if you can get me one of those window stickers.

I'll add northern state commentary and snicker snicker finger pointing graffiti myself.

Actually. My niece could probably come up with something much funnier than I.

She's studying graphic arts down at UCSF right now.
 
  • #94
WhoWee said:
Here's another twist...Octo-Porn?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,500688,00.html
on the way to work tonight I heard an interview with a woman from a competing company who says they are offering her one year of free clothe diapers if she agrees not to do porn. lol
apparently they haven't heard back from her but then they didn't say when they mailed her their offer either.
 
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  • #95
Octo Mom's New Publicist Quits: "This Woman Is Nuts"
Saturday March 7, 2009
Octo Mom Nadya Suleman is without a publicist -- again.

Victor Munoz tells Usmagazine.com that he quit as Suleman's rep Friday night.

"It just got to be too much," he says. "It's pretty much a free for all over there right now. They are freaking out right now.

"Not to sound arrogant, but those people depended on me for everything," he continues. "You have no idea what I’ve had to do for these people.

"Nadya got real greedy. This woman is nuts," he adds. "This I can say: what ultimately destroyed the business arrangement was personal reasons."
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/octo-mom-second-publicist-quits-200973
 
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  • #96
If any of these babies die, OctoMom and her doctor should be charged...they conspired to create a situation placing young lives at risk for financial gain. The doctor earned ($165,000 in fees?) and her motive is clearly financial.
 
  • #97
WhoWee said:
If any of these babies die, OctoMom and her doctor should be charged...they conspired to create a situation placing young lives at risk for financial gain. The doctor earned ($165,000 in fees?) and her motive is clearly financial.

That's a little extreme.

Certainly there are medical ethics issues involved, but criminalizing stupidity could mean maybe arresting a good part (actually the not so good part) of Congress and certainly a large percentage of the CPAC attendees.
 
  • #98
Let's see...putting human life at risk to make a buck vs clapping for Rush?

I don't see the equality.
 
  • #99
LowlyPion said:
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/octo-mom-second-publicist-quits-200973
"This woman is nuts"

This is just the law of averages at work. There are a lot of people in the world, and a number of them are bound to lack common sense or good judgement. That's why I blame the fertility clinic staff for this whole mess. They are supposed to use their knowledge and expertise to advise people like this woman, and if warranted refuse to give fertility treatments.

Same goes for banks that lend money to people who can't afford a mortgage, and Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon as well.
 
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  • #100
A new house for the Suleman Swarm
Dad's buying.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/03/09/octomom-new-house/

4 bedrooms 3 baths 14 kids.

The neighbors must be thrilled that at least some real estate is moving in CA.

EDIT: Apparently Dad isn't buying:
Octuplets mom says she's paying for new house

4 hours ago

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The Southern California mother of octuplets said in a video posted online Wednesday that she — not her parents — is paying for the four-bedroom, three-bath home where she plans to raise her brood.

In the video posted on RadarOnline.com, Nadya Suleman disputed earlier remarks by the house's listing agent, who said her father was buying the home.

Suleman said she made the initial payment on the house, which she was leasing with an option to buy. Her parents, she said, "had nothing to do with it."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilIx-PXnXPpwF1a_nlRYF00fzBIQD96RRS300
 
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  • #103
TheStatutoryApe said:
when I heard this I wondered if maybe it was a snarky response to the porn offers.

As a point of curiosity I have wondered if anyone ever watches again the birth of any of their children, if their birth was indeed ever recorded in the first place, by an overzealous husband with too much anxiety to deal with in the moment and hiding behind a camera?

I can't imagine the relevance of ever seeing it again, for the husband or the wife or even the child involved.

Now this nut job thinks that people would pay to see her open her bomb-bay doors and carpet bomb Southern California with her brood? Just saying ... I think there's some real narcissism at work there.
 
  • #104
LowlyPion said:
As a point of curiosity I have wondered if anyone ever watches again the birth of any of their children, if their birth was indeed ever recorded in the first place, by an overzealous husband with too much anxiety to deal with in the moment and hiding behind a camera?

I can't imagine the relevance of ever seeing it again, for the husband or the wife or even the child involved.

Now this nut job thinks that people would pay to see her open her bomb-bay doors and carpet bomb Southern California with her brood? Just saying ... I think there's some real narcissism at work there.
several of my female online friends have been having children lately and its virtually the only thing they discuss in their blogs. so much so that I stopped reading them because I was so sick of hearing about pregnancy. in real life my friends who get pregnant don't come out as much of course but even the little that I saw them was much the same as those blogs. I think its just common for couples to become obsessed with their pregnancies to the point of even wanting it video taped.
trying to sell those tapes though is definitely pretty rediculous.
 
  • #105
TheStatutoryApe said:
several of my female online friends have been having children lately and its virtually the only thing they discuss in their blogs. so much so that I stopped reading them because I was so sick of hearing about pregnancy. in real life my friends who get pregnant don't come out as much of course but even the little that I saw them was much the same as those blogs. I think its just common for couples to become obsessed with their pregnancies to the point of even wanting it video taped.
trying to sell those tapes though is definitely pretty rediculous.

Eeww. For the record, I am NOT going to have my baby's birth taped. First, who ever watches their wedding videos again? (BTW, we didn't have one done... we did a nice old fashioned elope-at-the-courthouse wedding.) Second, I just can't picture my husband being able to do that. He'd be a stand-at-the-head-of-the-bed guy, holding my hand IF I'm lucky. BUT third... he's going to be lucky if I allow him in the room in the first place. If anything looks a bit off (even me being in a bit of pain), he's prone to going ballistic at the doctors and getting himself hauled out and threatened with jail-time.
 
  • #106
As a chemical physicist, I feel configurations of 2 kids, 8 kids or 18 kids are optimal.
 
  • #107
alxm said:
As a chemical physicist, I feel configurations of 2 kids, 8 kids or 18 kids are optimal.

That post makes me feel like an empty shell.
 
  • #108
alxm said:
As a chemical physicist, I feel configurations of 2 kids, 8 kids or 18 kids are optimal.

The S orbitals are enough for most.
 
  • #109
physics girl phd said:
Eeww. For the record, I am NOT going to have my baby's birth taped. First, who ever watches their wedding videos again? (BTW, we didn't have one done... we did a nice old fashioned elope-at-the-courthouse wedding.) Second, I just can't picture my husband being able to do that. He'd be a stand-at-the-head-of-the-bed guy, holding my hand IF I'm lucky. BUT third... he's going to be lucky if I allow him in the room in the first place. If anything looks a bit off (even me being in a bit of pain), he's prone to going ballistic at the doctors and getting himself hauled out and threatened with jail-time.

I think they are all deeply personal events and call for focus in the moment. Recording them with the distance or detachment of a cinematographer is not what is called for. Nor is it how they will ever be remembered.

Why distort the experience with the demands of clinical detachment?
 
  • #110
OK. When your 15 minutes is up, isn't it time to leave the stage?

Now this?
Octo Mom Signs Reality TV Deal
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/octomom-signs-reality-tv-deal-2009295

The only reality show of this family I want to see is a Survivor show in a reptile infested swamp. (I think the reptiles would lose.)
 
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  • #111
LowlyPion said:
OK. When your 15 minutes is up, isn't it time to leave the stage?

Now this?

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/octomom-signs-reality-tv-deal-2009295

The only reality show of this family I want to see is a Survivor show in a reptile infested swamp. (I think the reptiles would lose.)

She's been trying for this since the begining. I think that public opinion of her was too negative at the time for her to get any sort of contract.
 
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  • #112
LowlyPion said:
OK. When your 15 minutes is up, isn't it time to leave the stage?

Now this?

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/octomom-signs-reality-tv-deal-2009295

The only reality show of this family I want to see is a Survivor show in a reptile infested swamp. (I think the reptiles would lose.)
 
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