Is Philosophy Useless for Scientific Research?

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Weinberg's "Against Philosophy" argues that philosophy is largely unhelpful for scientists, suggesting that it mainly serves to protect against poorer philosophical ideas. The discussion highlights a paradox where those dismissing philosophy often adhere to a specific philosophical stance, namely pragmatism. Participants acknowledge that while Weinberg critiques philosophy, he inadvertently supports its relevance by illustrating how certain philosophical ideas, like atomism, have historically benefited science. The conversation emphasizes that philosophy can aid scientific progress by fostering intuitive leaps and understanding the evolution of scientific thought. However, it also critiques contemporary philosophy for failing to keep pace with scientific advancements, particularly in high-energy physics. The dialogue reveals a divide between science and philosophy, with some asserting that philosophy is essential for understanding the scientific method, while others argue that current philosophical discourse lacks practical application for scientists. Ultimately, the thread underscores the need for a productive relationship between philosophy and science, suggesting that both disciplines can enhance each other's understanding of reality.
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octelcogopod said:
Even with the subjective, we still must base science on the premise that there is an external empirical world. Science is all about exploring that world.

You could hold the premise that there *seems to be* an external world, and base science on exploring what *seems to be* an external world. Is physics just a subset of consciousness?
 
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mal4mac, as you might have expected, I have no idea.
That and the other points you raised in your earlier reply to me are mostly all related to the problem of consciousness and how we can really understand it.
I have no idea how to unite the seemingly objective and subjective.
I don't know if I'm even asking the right questions.

But I can say that we must at least base our life on the premise that this seemingly external world is also fundamental.
While feelings and subjective thoughts should also be fundamental in that they are subjectively true, the same thing could be said about reality.
Whether or not physics is a subset of consciousness is somewhat irrelevant UNTIL we can find some way to prove it..

But what I meant in my original post, was that the scientific method is a strict and commonly agreed upon method for conducting research, while philosophy should always be there to answer the more existential aspects of reality and life.
I should maybe read the paper in the OP, but from the comment the poster made - yes philosophy is useless for conducting the scientific method, but no - it's not useless for understanding WHY we are conducting the scientific method, and the choices we make to apply it.
 
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