Is Randomness Truly Understandable in a Mathematical Context?

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The discussion centers on the concept of randomness as it relates to the complexity of data structures, suggesting that true randomness requires more information to describe than is contained within the structure itself. It posits that our reality is inherently random due to the limitations of human descriptions, which cannot perfectly mirror reality. An interesting method for generating random numbers is highlighted, utilizing atmospheric noise through a specific online tool, which is considered superior to traditional pseudo-random algorithms. The conversation also touches on the philosophical implications of randomness in mathematics, suggesting that all mathematical truths can be derived from a finite set of axioms, leading to the idea that mathematics may be holographic in nature.
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I will give it a try:

Randomness appears to be the descriptive complexity of a data structure such, that description of the structure takes more bits of information than what appears to be contained in the structure itself.

In that respect, we live in a random world due to the inability for humans to create a description of reality that is perfectly isomorphic with reality.


An interesting way to generate random numbers?

http://www.random.org/integers/


This form allows you to generate random integers. The randomness comes from atmospheric noise, which for many purposes is better than the pseudo-random number algorithms typically used in computer programs.
 
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khanster said:
In that respect, we live in a random world due to the inability for humans to create a description of reality that is perfectly isomorphic with reality.

Not yet anyway.
 
I like the first sentence of wolfram's definiion of random number.

"as if by chance" is sloppy, but I think it means no a priori knowledge of cause and effect.
 
Pick the conjunction of all axioms ever to be employed. This set can be broken down into finitely many groups of axioms where two axioms/statements are in the same group if they imply each other.

Take the consequence hull (or closure) of that set of statements. (The smallest set of all consequences of those statements, say)

That is all of mathematics.

Thus mathematics is holographic in nature.
 
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