Is S a Subspace of P_3 and Does q(x) Belong in S?

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The discussion revolves around determining if a specific subset S of the vector space P_3, defined by certain conditions on polynomials, is a subspace. Additionally, participants are examining whether a particular polynomial q(x) belongs to this subset S.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the requirements for S to be a subspace, including non-emptiness and closure under addition and scalar multiplication. There are questions regarding the application of these properties to the specific conditions defining S.
  • Some participants question the reasoning behind the claims made about the values of (af+bg)(1) and its derivative, seeking clarification on how these relate to the conditions of S.
  • There is also an inquiry into whether the polynomial q(x) meets the criteria to be included in S, prompting a review of the conditions that define membership in S.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on how to approach the verification of S as a subspace and the evaluation of q(x). There is recognition of the need for clarity in the definitions and conditions being applied, but no consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under a time constraint, as the problem is due soon. There is a repeated emphasis on ensuring that the zero polynomial is included in S and that all conditions for membership are explicitly checked for q(x).

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Could someone help me with this question? Because I'm stuck and have no idea how to solve it & it's due tomorrow :(

Let S be the following subset of the vector space P_3 of all real polynomials p of degree at most 3:

S={p∈ P_3 p(1)=0, p' (1)=0}

where p' is the derivative of p.

a)Determine whether S is a subspace of $P_3$
b) determine whether the polynomial q(x)= x-2x^2 +x^3 is an element of S

Attempt:
I know that for the first part I need to proof that it's none empty, closed under addition and multiplication right?
will this give me full mark for the part a if I answer like this:
(af+bg)(1)=af(1)+bg(1)=0+0=0 and
(af+bg)′(1)=af′(1)+bg′(1)=0+0=0
so therefore it's a subspace of P_3?
b) i got no idea...

Thank you very much!
 
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dragonxhell said:
Could someone help me with this question? Because I'm stuck and have no idea how to solve it & it's due tomorrow :(

Let S be the following subset of the vector space P_3 of all real polynomials p of degree at most 3:

S={p∈ P_3 p(1)=0, p' (1)=0}

where p' is the derivative of p.

a)Determine whether S is a subspace of $P_3$
b) determine whether the polynomial q(x)= x-2x^2 +x^3 is an element of S

Attempt:
I know that for the first part I need to proof that it's none empty, closed under addition and multiplication right?
will this give me full mark for the part a if I answer like this:
(af+bg)(1)=af(1)+bg(1)=0+0=0 and
(af+bg)′(1)=af′(1)+bg′(1)=0+0=0
so therefore it's a subspace of P_3?
What allows you to say that (af+bg)(1) = 0 and that (af+bg)'(1) = 0? You haven't used the fact that S is a subset of P3. You also haven't shown that the zero function belongs to S.
dragonxhell said:
b) i got no idea...
The set description tells you which functions belong to S. Namely, they are of degree less than or equal to 3, p(1) = 0, and p'(1) = 0. Does q satisfy all three of these conditions? If so, it's in S.
 
What you have for a) is correct. You need to say what f and g are to write it out properly.

What is stopping you from checking whether q(x) is in S?
 
dragonxhell said:
Could someone help me with this question? Because I'm stuck and have no idea how to solve it & it's due tomorrow :(

Let S be the following subset of the vector space P_3 of all real polynomials p of degree at most 3:

S={p∈ P_3 p(1)=0, p' (1)=0}

where p' is the derivative of p.

a)Determine whether S is a subspace of $P_3$
b) determine whether the polynomial q(x)= x-2x^2 +x^3 is an element of S

Your question is identical to the question asked in this thread.
 

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