Is Separating Negative Numbers in Math Valid?

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The discussion revolves around playful mathematical reasoning and paradoxes. It begins with a humorous equation suggesting that studying and not studying lead to the same outcome: failure. The conversation then explores the implications of dividing two statements about studying, leading to the conclusion that "study = fail" under certain conditions. Participants engage in further mathematical puzzles, including the assertion that "1 = -1" through flawed reasoning involving square roots and negative numbers. The dialogue touches on the nature of mathematical functions, particularly the square root, and the validity of manipulating negative numbers in equations. A participant questions their math teacher's explanation regarding the separation of negative numbers, suggesting a lack of clarity in traditional mathematical rules. The overall tone is light-hearted, with a focus on the quirks and complexities of mathematical logic.

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Hi all,

Just some interesting stuff to share.

Study = Don't Fail--------(1)
Don't Study = Fail--------(2)

Add (1) &(2)

Study + Don't Study = Don't Fail + Fail

Factorising the equation,

Study(1+Don't) = Fail(1+Don't)

Study = Fail !?!

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Delzac
 
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Dividing (1) by (2)
study/(don't study) = (don't fail)/fail
Hence 1/(don't) = don't
Or don't =1 or -1

If don't = -1
1+don't = 0
Division by 0 is illegal.

If don't =1 (the multiplicative identity), then (1) and (2), both become: study=fail,
which is not inconsistent with the final result.
 
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lol didn't notice thanks for the note:blushing:
 
hmm...if Don't = 1 then it takes the fun out of things already, but is can't be -1 also...zzzzz i will try think of a better equation. ^^
 
Try this one (which is a rather old "puzzle")

1 = sqrt(1) = sqrt(-1*-1) = sqrt(-1)*sqrt(-1)=i*i=-1

so 1 = -1 !

[Now before people jump all over me on that, I KNOW where the fault is].

Zz.
 
I've got a good one:

Women = Money * Time

Time = Money (Time is money!)

Women = (Money)^2

Money = sqrt(Evil) (Money is the ROOT of all evil...)

So, Women = Evil :devil:

Of course I've known this all along, I just have a mathematical proof of it now :smile:
 
Nice one mech, how very true.

Anyway referring back to zapper, something must be wrong, but i just can't a hand to it. take this for example.

1 = sqrt(1) = sqrt( -1*-1) = sqrt( (-1)^2 ) = (-1)^(2/2) = -1 ??

For now i can't solve, i will get back to you later.
 
The answer is simple, and exemplified by shortening the process some:

-a = sqrt(a^2) = a
 
hmm...here's my initial thought.

X = sqrt ( (+-x)^2 ) there is something wrong with this step right?
 
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Yes, it's like saying: 0 = inv. sin (0) = pi

The square root (like the inverse sine) is not strictly a function, because it is a one-to-many mapping (functions, strictly, are may-to-one, or one-to-oe maps). These are sometimes, loosely called multiple valued functions, with the condition that a principal value is assigned to the image (like the positive square root) when it's not specified which image you are talking about.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
Dividing (1) by (2)
study/(don't study) = (don't fail)/fail
Hence 1/(don't) = don't
Or don't =1 or -1

If don't = -1
1+don't = 0
Division by 0 is illegal.

If don't =1 (the multiplicative identity), then (1) and (2), both become: study=fail,
which is not inconsistent with the final result.


Hahaha! That has to be one of the best replies to a joke I have ever heard.:smile:
 
  • #12
can i also solve the problem by saying that: 1 = sqrt ( (-1)^2) = l -1 l = 1

is this explanation valid?
 
  • #13
I think some of you are spending too much time on turning words and phrases into mathematical shenanigans.
 
  • #14
Anyway, When i ask my Math teacher about

" 1 = sqrt(1) = sqrt(-1*-1) = sqrt(-1)*sqrt(-1)=i*i=-1 ".
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She says that it is not valid because if u have negative numbers in brackets, then u cannot separate them out, instead u must work them out 1st bacause negative numbers are special. which i feel is crap. But is her explanation correct?
 

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