Is spacetime orientation a convention?

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The discussion centers on whether spatial and temporal orientation in relativistic field theory is a convention. Participants clarify that while Minkowski spacetime is orientable, the choice of orientation is indeed a convention, as it does not dictate physical reality. However, the orientation of physical measuring devices and certain tensorial fields is not a convention, as these have specific transformation properties that are dictated by the underlying physics. The conversation highlights the distinction between coordinate choices and the inherent properties of physical objects.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Minkowski spacetime and its properties
  • Familiarity with tensorial fields, including scalar, vector, and spinor fields
  • Knowledge of relativistic field theory and its mathematical representations
  • Concept of parity non-conservation in weak interactions
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  • Study the properties of Minkowski spacetime and its orientability
  • Explore the transformation properties of scalar, vector, and spinor fields in relativistic contexts
  • Investigate the implications of parity non-conservation in weak interactions within the Standard Model
  • Learn about the mathematical representation of physical processes in different coordinate systems
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Physicists, particularly those specializing in theoretical physics, relativistic field theory, and particle physics, will benefit from this discussion. It is also valuable for students and researchers interested in the foundational aspects of spacetime and orientation in physics.

  • #31
PeterDonis said:
Yes, but the fact that one cannot be continuously transformed into the other is not. So there are two orientations, which we can label however we want, and given any physical object, we can check which orientation it can be continuously transformed into and which one it can't. The result of this check is independent of any coordinate choice or any choice of labeling of orientations; that is the sense in which a physical object has an orientation that is not a convention. (The only complication here is that some objects, for example a perfect sphere, will not have an orientation in this sense.)
My point was that you need a reference, which you can choose by convention. An objective one, transportable to any place and valid at any time, according to the HEP Standard Model, is the left-handedness (right-handedness) of neutrinos (anti-neutrinos). Then you can define of any (chiral) object which orientation it has relative to the so defined properties "left" and "right". That's indeed independent of the choice of coordinates.
 
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vanhees71 said:
you need a reference, which you can choose by convention

Yes, agreed.

vanhees71 said:
An objective one, transportable to any place and valid at any time, according to the HEP Standard Model, is the left-handedness (right-handedness) of neutrinos (anti-neutrinos)

Yes, but this one also has a stronger property: you don't have to transport any specific neutrinos from one region of spacetime to another. Any neutrinos anywhere will serve as a reference, and they will all agree.

But you could also construct, for example, a right-handed set of rulers on Earth (right-handed by our conventions), and then transport it to Mars, or Alpha Centauri, or the Andromeda Galaxy, and use it there. The rulers can serve equally well as an objective reference for handedness; but you have to transport that specific set, unlike the neutrinos. And you can't guarantee that this set of rulers will match, for example, a set constructed by the aliens in the Andromeda Galaxy as their reference.
 
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