Is superconductivity something usual or weird?

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The discussion centers on the nature of superconductivity, its relation to quantum mechanics, and the speed of electric current in superconductors. Participants explore theoretical implications and propose experimental ideas, touching on concepts like quantum entanglement and drift velocity.

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  • Some participants propose a connection between superconductivity and quantum entanglement, questioning the implications for the speed of electric current.
  • One participant suggests that the speed of electric current in superconductors might be equal to the speed of light or even tachyonic, although they acknowledge the limitations of quantum entanglement in transferring information.
  • Another participant clarifies that the current in a superconductor is carried by Cooper pairs, which are bonded electrons, and discusses the drift velocity of electrons in conductors.
  • It is noted that the drift velocity of electrons is very small, typically around a few centimeters per hour, and that changes in electric potential travel at close to the speed of light.
  • One participant emphasizes that even high current flows result in only a small increase in average velocity for the charges, contrasting this with the much higher Fermi velocity of electrons in the conductor.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of electric current speed in superconductors, with no consensus reached on whether it can be equated to the speed of light or tachyonic speeds. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of quantum mechanics on superconductivity.

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The discussion includes complexities around the definitions of 'speed' in the context of electric current and drift velocity, as well as the assumptions underlying the relationship between superconductivity and quantum mechanics.

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Maybe an experiment with superconductors can be invented, which illustrates something weird, like Elitzur–Vaidman bomb test?
Wikipedia says that superconductivity is a phenomenon which can only be explained by quantum mechanics. Maybe there is a close relation between the connection of superconductor parts and quantum entanglement? If yes, a question arises: what is the speed of electric current flowing through the superconductor? Is it equal to the speed of light, or maybe tachyonic? Please forgive me for this question, of course I understand that the quantum entanglement does not allow to transfer information; but this stupid question gives birth to an idea – maybe an experiment with superconductors can be invented, which illustrates something weird, like Elitzur–Vaidman bomb test?
 
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Spathi said:
TL;DR Summary: Maybe an experiment with superconductors can be invented, which illustrates something weird, like Elitzur–Vaidman bomb test?

Wikipedia says that superconductivity is a phenomenon which can only be explained by quantum mechanics. Maybe there is a close relation between the connection of superconductor parts and quantum entanglement? If yes, a question arises: what is the speed of electric current flowing through the superconductor? Is it equal to the speed of light, or maybe tachyonic? Please forgive me for this question, of course I understand that the quantum entanglement does not allow to transfer information; but this stupid question gives birth to an idea – maybe an experiment with superconductors can be invented, which illustrates something weird, like Elitzur–Vaidman bomb test?
The current in a superconductor is by Cooper pairs rather than single electrons. But the main principle is the same: the Cooper pairs are bonded electrons and electrons are physical particles that cannot travel faster than the speed of light. According to Wikipedia, the drift velocity of electrons in a 2mm diameter copper wire is around 8 cm/h. Cooper pairs probably don't move much faster than that.

(Changes in electric potential travel at close to the speed of light in a material. The electrons really don't move around that much.)

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If yes, a question arises: what is the speed of electric current flowing through the superconductor?
That's a rather complicated question to answer, as 'speed' of the current isn't very well defined. Electrons in a conductor are always moving throughout the material in random directions at various speeds. The so-called 'drift velocity' is the average velocity of all these electrons, which, for zero current flow, averages out to zero.

Once an electric potential (voltage) is applied each electron gains a slight amount of velocity in the direction opposite of the electric field. They still move about randomly, it's just that the average velocity of the whole group is no longer zero. This average velocity is called the drift velocity and is typically very small, on the order of a few centimeters per hour. This is in stark contrast with the Fermi velocity of around 1500 km/s, which, in a simplified explanation, is around how fast each electron will be moving inside the conductor at room temperature.

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Is it equal to the speed of light, or maybe tachyonic?
No, not even close. Even extremely high current flows in a conductor (or superconductor) only represent a small increase in average velocity for the charges. This is because of the huge number of charges available. When you have on the order of 1022 charges per meter of wire, even a small increase in average velocity leads to a large increase in current flow. A drift velocity of 23 micrometers/second still puts 1016 charges across a cross sectional plane of the wire. Or, in other words, this small drift velocity of around 8.2 cm/h is still 1 amp of current in a 2mm diameter wire. A ludicrous 1,000 amps in the same wire would still only be a drift velocity of 23 mm/s, which is a tiny fraction of the 1500 km/s (1,500,000,000 mm/s) that individual electrons were already moving before the application of a voltage.
 
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