Is the Chain Rule Needed to Differentiate 6e^{0.013t}?

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function f(t) = 6e^{0.013t}. Participants are exploring whether to apply the chain rule, the product rule, or both in this context.

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  • Some participants express confusion about the necessity of the chain rule versus the product rule. Others attempt to clarify the application of the chain rule by discussing the structure of the function and the roles of inner and outer functions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing examples and clarifications regarding the chain rule. There is a mix of attempts to apply the rule and questions about the notation and structure of the functions involved.

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Some participants mention uncertainty regarding the notation and the differentiation process, particularly in identifying inner and outer functions. There is also a reference to the derivative of e^x, which is noted to be itself, adding to the discussion's complexity.

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[tex]f(t) = 6e^{0.013t}[/tex]

How do I find the derivative of this?

I'm confused. Do I have to use the chain rule here or the product rule, or both?
 
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You will have to use the chain rule on this. Do you know the derivative of e^x?

Example of the chain rule.
[tex]f(x) = 5(2x+1)^3[/tex]. To find the derivative, use the chain rule.

[tex]dy/dx = 5 ( 3(2x +1)^2 *2). = 30(2x+1)^2[/tex].

If it helps you, you can call 2x +1 "u" and say [tex]dy/dx = dy/du * du/dx[/tex].

du/dx = 2. dy/du = 3u^2. Don't forget the constant five outside.
 
Isen't the derivative of e^x itself? or do I need to use the natural log.

Here's my attempt from looking at your example :

[tex]6(0.013t(e)^{0.013t} * e^{0.013t}[/tex]
 
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The derivative of [tex]e^u = e^u * du/dt[/tex].

So, Let's call u = .013 t

Now, we have [tex]e^u[/tex] We know the derivative of [tex]e^u = e^u du/dt[/tex].

So, [tex]dy/dt = e^u * du/dt.[/tex]

What is du/dt? We know u = .013t. Can we get du/dt from that? Does this help a bit?
 
Hmm, I'm not sure if I'm getting the whole U thing sorry.

I have the chain rule being D/DX F(G(X)) = F'(G(X)) * G'(X)

I'm not even sure which part of the equation is F and which is G. If someone could explain that to me, I might have a better chance of plugging this in right.

I think it's the exponents, and the e that is throwing me off.
 
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I think you're being confused by the notation. I'll attempt to clear it up, then I"ll try to help you out.
F(g(x) means we have a function inside another function. So, let's look at what we have here:

e^.013t. That .013t is contained in an "e^x" like function, where x = .013t. Well, we can call that .013t = G(t) if we want.

Now, we want an F(g(t). We're going to call e^x "F(x)." Now, we have F(x) = e^x. . What does this mean?

Well, it means we can replace x for something like F(1) = e^1. Or, F(5) = e^5.

Or, usefully:

F(g(t)) = e^(g(t)) = e^.013t

So, Now we have that F(g(t)) form. The differentiation says

F'(g(t)) * g'(t).

This means we need two things: We need the derivative of F'(g(t)) (the derivative of e^x) and the derivative of G(t) (.013t) and then we multiply them together.

Does this help?

Example:

y = (x^2 + 3)^3 .

We want to express it in the form of F(g(x)). Notice how we have an inside function (x^2 + 3) and an outside function a Something^3. Well, we'll call the inside function g(x) = x^2 + 3. That outside ^3 function will be called F(u) = u^3

So, we have [tex]F(g(x)) = (x^2 + 3)^3 [ /tex]<br /> <br /> The chain rule says "Take the derivative of the outside funciton and multiply it by the derivative of the inside funciton" or F'(g(x)) * g'(x)<br /> <br /> So, the derivative of the outside function ^3 = 3u^2. (Remember, that "u" here is actually standing for our x^2 + 3)<br /> The derivative of our inside function (the x^2 +3 ) is G'(x) = 2x<br /> <br /> Now, Multiply 3u^2 * 2x<br /> <br /> Remember, we said u = g(x) = x^2 +3<br /> <br /> So, our derivative is<br /> <br /> 3(x^2 +3)^2 *2x<br /> <br /> The trick here is to see an "Inside function" and an "Outside function". THe outside function contains the inside function. Does this help at all, or do you want me to help walk you through it a bit more?[/tex]
 
Thanks for that write up.

I tried again and I got this: [tex]f'(t) = .013*6e^{-.987T}(.013)[/tex]

I felt like I was supposed to do something with the 6 but wasn't sure.
 
the derivative of e^x is e^x, it is not e^{x-1}.
 
Here, perhaps an example of an actual exponential function would help.

f(x) = ce^(ax^2)

Where c and a are constants.

Let u = ax^2

Let f(u) = e^u

So, the derivative dy/dx

[tex]dy/dx = dy/du * du/dx[/tex]

8So, We can find du/dx = 2ax.

We can find dy/du = e^u. (The derivative of e^x is e^x, as Matt pointed out).

So, fill in where things go, dy/du = e^u du/dx = 2ax

[tex]dy/dx = 2cax * e^u[/tex] Remember how I said u = ax^2? So replace u.

dy/dx = 2cax e^(ax^2)

Another example

8e^9x = y.

dy/dx = dy/du * du/dx.
u = 9x

du/dx = 9

8e^u = y. Dy/du = e^u


8e^u *9 = dy/dx = 72e^u = 72e^9x

Do these examples clear it up a bit more?
 
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Yes, thanks for your time and effort.

Now I get :

[tex]f(t) = 6e^{0.013t}[/tex]

[tex]let u = 0.013t[/tex]

[tex]f(t) = 6e^u[/tex]

[tex]\frac {dy}{dt} = \frac {dy}{du} * \frac {du}{dt}[/tex]

[tex]6e^{0.013t} * (0.013)[/tex]
 

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