Earth Magnetism: Gravity vs Attraction

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The discussion revolves around the differences between gravity and magnetism, exploring why these two forces are defined separately despite both causing attraction. Participants examine the nature of these forces, their effects on objects, and the underlying principles that differentiate them.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that gravity and magnetism both cause attraction but argue that gravity is fundamentally different because it always attracts, while magnetism can attract or repel depending on the materials involved.
  • One participant notes that gravity affects all masses equally, regardless of their composition, while magnetism's effects depend on the material properties.
  • Another point raised is that if gravity were due to magnetism, objects of the same mass could fall at different speeds based on their material, which does not occur in reality.
  • Participants highlight that gravity is a force that acts on all masses, while magnetism is limited to certain materials and can exhibit both attraction and repulsion.
  • There is a reiteration of the four known fundamental forces, emphasizing their distinct behaviors, particularly the non-repulsive nature of gravity compared to the electromagnetic force.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of separate definitions for gravity and magnetism, with some agreeing on their distinct characteristics while others question the need for differentiation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differences.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the behavior of magnets and gravity in practical scenarios, but the discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions about the definitions and interactions of these forces.

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Don't we, as people on Earth, react to Earth the same way as paperclips are attracted to magnets? Why is "gravity" not magnetism?
 
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jedishrfu said:
Gravity holds us to the ground.

But magnetism as a force attracts certain objects to one another, like paperclips to magnets, like people to Earth. Why do we need a separate definition for Gravity?
 
Jacinta, How much science have you had to date?

You must be aware that magnetism is valid only for certains types of materials and in some cases attracts and in other cases repels whereas gravity always attracts all materials. Isn't that enough reason to have two different definitions for each phenomena.
 
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Jacinta said:
But magnetism as a force attracts certain objects to one another, like paperclips to magnets, like people to Earth. Why do we need a separate definition for Gravity?
Because gravity behaves differently than magnetism does in many ways. For example, the North poles of two magnets will repel each other, while there is no equivalent repulsion effect with gravity. Another example. with magnetism, the strength of the attraction or repulsion depends on the materials involved. Some materials respond strongly while others not at all. With gravity, it doesn't matter what something is made of, it responds to gravity in exactly the same way. To put it another way. If the attraction of object to the Earth were due to magnetism, it would be possible to have objects of the same mass fall at different speeds just by making them from different substances.( in fact, since there are materials that are actually repelled by magnetic fields, you could have objects that "fall" upwards when.)
 
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Jacinta said:
But magnetism as a force attracts certain objects to one another, like paperclips to magnets, like people to Earth. Why do we need a separate definition for Gravity?

You were told in post #2 that it is gravity NOT magnetism that holds us to the earth

Have you ever tried holding a magnet to your body and then letting it go ?
what does the magnet do ? stick to your body or fall to the ground ?

try it and tell us the results

what does that result tell you about people and magnets ?
 
There are four known forces.
The strong nuclear force.
The weak nuclear force.
The electromagnetic force.
The gravitational force.

All four function in very distinct different ways.
Electromagnetic has to do with aligning atomic charges in the same direction. So objects can be attracted but they can also be repelled.
Gravity has to do with mass. Everything with mass is attracted to each other. Those with more mass are more attractive. Gravity only attracts, it doesn't repel.
 
Looks like we have some really great answers. Thanks. Let's call it a job well done.
 
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