Is the Fourier transf. of an autocorrelation functn always positive?

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The discussion revolves around the Fourier transform (FT) of the autocorrelation function, particularly in the context of vibrational density of states (VDOS) derived from atomic velocity correlations in liquids. Participants explore whether the resulting VDOS can take negative values and the implications of this for both simulation and experimental data.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the VDOS obtained from the FT of the autocorrelation function can be negative in some frequency regions.
  • Another participant mentions that in their work, the FT of the autocorrelation function yields a power spectral density that should be positive, but acknowledges potential discrepancies in simulation data.
  • A participant recounts an experience where their colleague's FT of a discrete autocorrelation dataset produced negative values due to issues with the correlation function used, suggesting dimensional problems.
  • Some participants assert that since the autocorrelation function is real and symmetric, its FT should also be real and symmetric, implying positivity.
  • One participant reflects on the relationship between the FT of the autocorrelation function and the vibrational density of states, indicating a better understanding of the concept through the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the FT of the autocorrelation function can yield negative values, with some asserting it should be positive while others recount experiences of negative results in specific contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which negative values may arise.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential limitations related to the method of Fourier transformation and the nature of the data (simulation vs. experimental), indicating that the results may depend on these factors.

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I am trying to understand the IR spectra of liquid. I can get the autocorrelation function of atoms' velocity,
<v_{i}(0)v_{i}(t)>
make a Fourier Transformation, the vibrational density of state (VDOS) can be obtained. Does the VDOS always be positive? Or it can also take negative value in some frequency region? Thanks
 
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Maybe not directly related to your work, but with what I do, the FT of the autocorrelation function which obtains the power spectral density. Where the peak will be centered at the incident laser wavelength, and the line width relates to the characteristic decay time of the sample. I don't see why it would go negative, but again I am talking about light scattering process, not yours.
 
Since the FT of an auto-correlation function gives the power spectrum, it is supposed to be positive. However, a colleague of mine once found that taking the Fourier transform of a discrete auto-correlation data set he was working with erroneously gave some negative values. His data was simulation data, though, and the problem was that the correlation function he chose and was trying to transform wasn't properly a correlation function for some reason (dimensional problems, maybe).

If you have simulation data, you might need to alter your auto-correlation function or your Fourier transform method somehow. If you have experimental data, I guess you have to improve your Fourier transform method so that you don't get the negatives, or maybe you need more time resolution?
 
Since your data are real, the autocorrelation function is real and (by definition) symmetric, so its transform is symmetric and real.
 
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Steve Drake said:
Maybe not directly related to your work, but with what I do, the FT of the autocorrelation function which obtains the power spectral density. Where the peak will be centered at the incident laser wavelength, and the line width relates to the characteristic decay time of the sample. I don't see why it would go negative, but again I am talking about light scattering process, not yours.

Thanks, all the same. I also think the FT of the autocorrelation function should give the relative probability of different component, eg the relative probability of different vibritional density of state.Thanks, my reply is too late.
 
Mute said:
Since the FT of an auto-correlation function gives the power spectrum, it is supposed to be positive. However, a colleague of mine once found that taking the Fourier transform of a discrete auto-correlation data set he was working with erroneously gave some negative values. His data was simulation data, though, and the problem was that the correlation function he chose and was trying to transform wasn't properly a correlation function for some reason (dimensional problems, maybe).

If you have simulation data, you might need to alter your auto-correlation function or your Fourier transform method somehow. If you have experimental data, I guess you have to improve your Fourier transform method so that you don't get the negatives, or maybe you need more time resolution?

My data is simulation data. I also think the problem is in the method of FT. Thanks a lot!
 
marcusl said:
Since your data are real, the autocorrelation function is real and (by definition) symmetric, so its transform is symmetric and real.
Yes.! Finally, I find that someone also define the square of FT of the velocity autocorrelation as the vibrational density of state. now I think I understand it more.
 

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