Is the interval the height of the triangle?

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The discussion centers on the geometric interpretation of the spacetime interval in special relativity, specifically addressing why it has a negative sign. Participants analyze Minkowski diagrams and propose alternatives like Epstein diagrams to visualize the relationship between time and space. The conversation emphasizes the importance of proper time as the height of a triangle formed by projections on time and spatial axes, and the necessity of accurately depicting photon world lines to maintain the constancy of the speed of light across different frames of reference.

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  • Understanding of special relativity concepts, including spacetime intervals and proper time.
  • Familiarity with Minkowski diagrams and their use in visualizing spacetime events.
  • Knowledge of the Pythagorean theorem as it applies to spacetime geometry.
  • Basic grasp of the implications of simultaneity and time dilation in different reference frames.
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  • Explore the construction and interpretation of Minkowski diagrams in detail.
  • Study Epstein diagrams and their application in visualizing proper time and 4-velocity.
  • Learn about Loedel diagrams and their advantages in representing spacetime events.
  • Investigate the mathematical foundations of time dilation and length contraction in special relativity.
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  • #31
bobc2 said:
I probably don't have anything else to contribute that would not get us into a monitor's lock down.

Well, yes, I see that we are lately running into circles in our respective comments. I understand you drop from the thread for that reason. I may post some developments in case someone else wants to comment, but in any case I thank you again for your very helpful intervention. You have told me about Loedel diagrams, which is a very interesting tool. It is curious that by adapting an Epstein diagram I had hit on the idea of this sort of diagrams, just with a different inclination, but I was not placing photon lines where they should and might have never realized this without your indication. We have agreed that at least in timelike events the interval is the height of a right triangle, so math and geometry are consistent. We have some discrepancies as to other types of events, but the discussion was fun. Thanks bobc2.
 
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  • #32
Saw said:
Well, yes, I see that we are lately running into circles in our respective comments. I understand you drop from the thread for that reason. I may post some developments in case someone else wants to comment, but in any case I thank you again for your very helpful intervention. You have told me about Loedel diagrams, which is a very interesting tool. It is curious that by adapting an Epstein diagram I had hit on the idea of this sort of diagrams, just with a different inclination, but I was not placing photon lines where they should and might have never realized this without your indication. We have agreed that at least in timelike events the interval is the height of a right triangle, so math and geometry are consistent. We have some discrepancies as to other types of events, but the discussion was fun. Thanks bobc2.

And thanks to you, Saw. You brought some goot stuff in here. My feelings about the Minkowski metric not really being a metric (true metrics are positive definite) and therefore not applicable to yielding lengths of sides of triangles in general gets out of bounds for this forum.
 
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