Is the Leyden Jar still charged even after discharging the metal parts?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a Leyden jar after it has been charged and subsequently discharged. Participants explore the implications of discharging the metal parts and the potential for residual charge on the jar, particularly focusing on the role of the glass and the nature of ionization.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether discharging the metal parts of the Leyden jar ionizes the copper material, suggesting a misunderstanding of the term 'ionization'.
  • Another participant clarifies that discharging involves removing charges but does not ionize the copper, emphasizing that the charge resides within the glass of the jar.
  • A further point is made regarding the physical removal of free electrons from the copper during discharge, which flow to the ground when touched.
  • Participants discuss the concept that even after discharging, the glass may retain charge, leading to potential charge separation when the jar is reassembled.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the terminology used regarding ionization versus discharging. Participants agree that charge remains in the glass but differ in their understanding of the implications of discharging the metal parts.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of ionization and discharging, and the discussion does not resolve the nuances of charge retention in the glass versus the metal components.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in electrostatics, the behavior of capacitors, or the physics of charge storage may find this discussion relevant.

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A couple of questions about the leyden jar . When i first charge up the leyden charge with a potential difference and then i dissemble the jar and i touch the metal parts of the jar to discharge them , Am i ionizing the copper that the jar is made of ,
And question #2 let's say I discharge both the metal parts of the jar and then I re-assemble the jar , and then i touch the inside metal part to the outside and i still get a spark .
Is the reason for this , because we did not discharge the glass so there is an induced charge on the glass , and then when we reassemble it , it cause charge separation on the copper parts of the jar .
 
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Ionisation is the removal or addition of an electron from/to a neutral atom.
Your copper is not neutral, it has extra charges attached to it. So in removing those charges you are not 'ionising' the copper - simply 'discharging' it.

And yes, the charge is in the glass, not just on it, but inside it. even if you try to discharge it by wiping, it will remain charged deep inside.
 
but when we discharge it , we are physically removing free electrons from the material
and when we touch it the electrons flow from the copper through our body to the ground .
Thanks for your response by the way.
 
Free electrons, not bound ones. You are not turning the copper atoms into ions.
 
ok , but the electrons came from the material , and are now transferred to the Earth .
 

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