Is the natural frequency the highest frequency?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between a structure's natural frequency and its ability to vibrate at higher frequencies. Participants explore whether the natural frequency represents the highest frequency of vibration or if structures can vibrate at multiples of the natural frequency.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if a structure's natural frequency is related to its highest vibrational frequency or if it can vibrate at multiples of the natural frequency.
  • Another participant states that a structure theoretically has infinite modes, using a string as an example, where the integer "n" can increase indefinitely, although practical limitations exist.
  • A different participant clarifies that for a simple string, the natural frequency corresponds to the longest wavelength, indicating it is the lowest frequency, not the highest.
  • One participant suggests the original poster might be considering concepts like plasma frequency.
  • Another participant confirms that structures can oscillate at integer multiples of the natural frequency, noting that higher harmonics satisfy the wave equation and its boundary conditions, emphasizing that the fundamental frequency is the lowest solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the natural frequency is the highest frequency a structure can vibrate at, with some asserting it is the lowest frequency while others suggest the possibility of higher harmonics.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the implications of practical limitations on vibrational modes or the specific types of structures being discussed, leaving some assumptions and definitions open to interpretation.

Krampus
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I have a theoretical question. Does a structure's natural frequency have anything to do with the highest frequency of which it can vibrate? Or can the structure vibrate in any multiple of the natural frequency (until it brakes...)?
 
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A structure has, in theory, infinite numbers of modes. If you look at what is probably the most basic shape, a string held at two ends, the velocity in the string is derived to be
[tex]u'=2u_o\left(sin(\frac{n \pi x}{L})\right)\left(cos(2 \pi f t)\right)[/tex]

Theoretically, the integer "n" can go to any number. In reality you can't do that.
 
I am not sure of what kind of structures you have in mind. However, for a simple string (like a violin or guitar string) the natural frequncy would correspond to the longest wavelength, i.e. double the string length. This would be the lowest possible frequency, not the highest.
 
perhaps the op is thinking of something like the plasma freq
 
Yes, it can oscillate in any integer multiple of the natural frequency, since these higher harmonics also satisfy the wave equation and its boundary conditions. And by superposition, (I think this is due to linearity in the wave equation), any sum of these harmonics will also satisfy the wave equation.

The fundamental is the LOWEST frequency solution, not the highest.
 

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