Is the New Font Less Readable and More Decorative?

[Vanadium 50]

Was there a font change? It still looks like a sans serif font, but less readable and maybe more decorative.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

Yes, PT Sans for me was unique but less readable. I switched to Roboto which is what Google uses for Android. I can put screenshots side by side and we can discuss.

 

[Vanadium 50]

I think the new one looks better on the front page, but worse in the message body. Substantially worse.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

ok, give me 10min and I can get side by side

 

[Vanadium 50]

In particular, the kerning looks terrible. (Kerning is the space between letters) That makes it much harder to read.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

Here they are back to back. Click on the thumbs. For me Roboto is clearly more readable as PT Sans is more dense and has some different styled characters. Thoughts?

Roboto

PT Sans

 

[e.bar.goum]

In particular, the kerning looks terrible. (Kerning is the space between letters) That makes it much harder to read.

I agree with V50! It's much harder to read.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

I agree with V50! It's much harder to read.

What makes it hard to read? Take a look at my screenshots.

 

[e.bar.goum]

What makes it hard to read? Take a look at my screenshots.

Like V50 said, the kerning is a bit odd. The fact that it's also quite a lot lighter than PT Sans is also troubling.

 

[phinds]

Looking at your screen shots, I agree with the others that roboto sucks and PT Sans is definitely more readable.

Looking at it more carefully, I think for me at least part of it is familiarity. PT Sans looks like what I'm used to and roboto just looks weird. It isn't really all that unreadable.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

Trying Source Sans Pro. Better?

 

[Drakkith]

Look's okay to me.

 

[e.bar.goum]

Trying Source Sans Pro. Better?

Definitely better than roboto! Could you do another side-by-side screenshot of it and PT Sans?

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

Source Pro seems a bit denser

Source Pro

PT Sans

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

Now how about a mix of Open Sans and Lora. I'll leave this over night.

 

[Psinter]

I agree with V50! It's much harder to read.

Like V50 said, the kerning is a bit odd. The fact that it's also quite a lot lighter than PT Sans is also troubling.

Looking at your screen shots, I agree with the others that roboto sucks and PT Sans is definitely more readable.

I must be a weird one then. I liked Roboto and imo it was easier to read. Oh well...

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

I must be a weird one then. I liked Roboto and imo it was easier to read. Oh well...

What do you think of right now?

 

[Psinter]

What do you think of right now?

Looks a little bigger and I think the previous to this one was better. This one I'm having a little trouble to assimilate and read, but I can get used to it. I would definitely go back to the previous to this one, but seeing as I appear to be a weird one I dare not say it. That's my feedback, let's see what others think.

 

[Psinter]

Just to confirm that it is indeed bigger. Letters are getting cut in the forum template.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

Just to confirm that it is indeed bigger. Letters are getting cut in the forum template.

Screenshot?

 

[Psinter]

Screenshot?

Of course:

Small letter 'g'. You can also see it in your username on your posts.

Edit: In Firefox and a Chromium based browser.

 

[Drakkith]

One thing I've noticed is that, at least for me, the contrast between the darker text of an unread thread and the lighter text of a read thread is less than before, making it more difficult to quickly see which threads you've already read and which you haven't.

 

[jtbell]

Screenshot?

Here's another example of a cutoff 'g'. It's worse here than in your name.
(Firefox, Mac OS)

 

[e.bar.goum]

+1 to the font sizes. I keep zooming out to make it all a bit smaller.

 

[DrClaude]

The current font doesn't render on my Mac or my iPad.

 

[Vanadium 50]

The current font doesn't render on my Mac or my iPad.

You wouldn't like it anyway.

I don't like the new serif font. It's hard to read at small sizes. I also don't like the mix of serif and sans seif fonts; they mix best when they are not read together, as in a headline and a subject line. Mixing them in body text, medals, name, date and time, is very disruptive. I spend a modest amount of time on the web, and this is the first time my reaction has been "Doggone this is hard to read!"

Greg, what problem are you trying to solve?

 

[DrClaude]

You wouldn't like it anyway.

I don't like the new serif font.

Then it is rendering. I didn't see that Greg had switched to Lora, so I thought that the posts should be in a sans serif font. I agree with you, it is ugly!

 

[mfb]

Greg, what problem are you trying to solve?

Same question here. I liked the old font much better. If we keep the new one I'll tell my browser to override the forum settings.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

Back to PT Sans. Oddly I just cycled through some very common Google fonts. Not sure why they didn't work here.

 

[S.G. Janssens]

For what it is worth (probably not much):

• I like the old (and, again, current) look of the front page,
• but I found the serif fonts for the big portions of text in the topics an improvement.

Actually, as I'm typing this, I see that the font in the composition box is still serif. Don't know if that is intentional.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

Don't know if that is intentional.

I see that too. Must have missed something.

 

[Samy_A]

I have the impression that the font size in the edit box is smaller than it was.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

I have the impression that the font size in the edit box is smaller than it was.

Bizarre since I never touched anything with the editor

 

[Samy_A]

Bizarre since I never touched anything with the editor

And now is again larger, as it was before.
Maybe it is not the font size but the change from sans serif->serif->sans serif that gave me that impression.

Anyway, it's good now (for me at least), thanks.

 

[Silicon Waffle]

...
Actually, as I'm typing this, I see that the font in the composition box is still serif. Don't know if that is intentional.

Back to PT Sans. Oddly I just cycled through some very common Google fonts. Not sure why they didn't work here.

I think it works

<link href="//fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=PT+Sans:400,600" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">

html{...
font-size:16px;font-family:'PT Sans',san-serif;line-height:1.5;...}

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

And now is again larger, as it was before.

I did increase by 1pt. Did you like the size before at 15pt? Personally I have my browser zoom set to 110% so before the text was too small for me to read easily.

 

[Samy_A]

I did increase by 1pt. Did you like the size before at 15pt? Personally I have my browser zoom set to 110% so before the text was too small for me to read easily.

It's fine now, but thanks for the 110% tip. Just applied that too and it makes it much better for me.

 

[Yashbhatt]

Source Pro seems a bit denser

Source Pro
View attachment 95221

PT Sans
View attachment 95222

Source Pro wins among the ones mentioned here.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

It's fine now, but thanks for the 110% tip. Just applied that too and it makes it much better for me.

So I'm confused, you think at 100% the post text is still too small?

 

[Samy_A]

So I'm confused, you think at 100% the post text is still too small?

No, sorry for the confusion. It's fine now, also at 100%. But, without any connection to your tweaking of the website, I now noticed that I like it more at 110%.

 

[phinds]

I did increase by 1pt. Did you like the size before at 15pt? Personally I have my browser zoom set to 110% so before the text was too small for me to read easily.

I'm w/ you Greg. I found the old a bit hard so magnified my browser

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

I'm w/ you Greg. I found the old a bit hard so magnified my browser

How about now as I increased it by 1pt from yesterday?

 

[phinds]

How about now as I increased it by 1pt from yesterday?

Can't tell w/o side by side since although I have a memory like an elephant, I keep forgetting where I put the peanuts and I'm not sure where I have my browser settings vs where they were when I changed them to make PF a bit more readable. I certainly can't remember anything from as way far back as yesterday

I can say that whatever it is now, it works so quit screwing around and go do something useful like drinking beer.

 

[Psinter]

My feedback is that I like it now.

EDIT: The g of Greg is still a little cutted off. But I still like it now.

 

[Silicon Waffle]

I also see the forums texts by default are a little small. I have to zoom them into get a better view. I find the body text looks good at size of 15px. And Greg can show his g part that is being cut off if the username's top value becomes smaller. Come on Greg! Show us your "g" please.

 

[phinds]

I also see the forums texts by default are a little small. I have to zoom them into get a better view. I find the body text looks good at size of 15px. And Greg can show his g part that is being cut off if the username's top value becomes smaller. Come on Greg! Show us your "g" please.

Oh, god no, not his g. I really don't want to see his g.

 

[Psinter]

I don't get it phinds.

To be honest, in between all the font changes at one point I thought it said: Greq. And almost made a thread to ask whether it was Greg or Greq because I felt something was off.

 

[phinds]

I don't get it phinds.

To be honest, in between all the font changes at one point I thought it said: Greq. And almost made a thread to ask whether it was Greg or Greq because I felt something was off.

Uh ... you need to lighten up. Not everything is meant seriously.

 

[Psinter]

Uh ... you need to lighten up. Not everything is meant seriously.

Ah, now I can laugh at it. Hahaha! I read it now and it's funny, for real.

 

[jim mcnamara]

I see this with BOTH browsers (IE11 & Chome) and have for quite a while. Cleared cookies for both. Descenders for lettters are not there. No biggie.