Is the Phase-Space of a Bouncing Ball a Straight Line?

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The discussion focuses on the phase-space representation of a bouncing ball between two walls, where momentum and position are plotted. It is confirmed that the phase-space trajectory is a straight line from -q to +q at a constant momentum p, reflecting the ball's elastic interactions with the walls. The conversation then shifts to how this representation changes for a deformable ball, which slows down upon impact before rebounding, resulting in a trajectory that briefly dips to zero momentum. Inelastic collisions are noted as a separate consideration, where energy loss leads to a series of decreasing momentum values. Overall, the participants agree on the behavior of the phase-space under both elastic and inelastic conditions.
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Hey,

The phase-space, a graph of momentum against position, shows a trajectory of a particular system and any point on this trajectory gives a microstate of a particular macrostate; given the Energy of the system is constant... I think this is roughly true, correct me where I'm wrong please!

However the question concerns a ball bouncing between two walls placed at positions ±q, the ball interacts elastically with the walls and travels at a constant velocity. Therefore the energy is constant and magnitude of the momentum is conserved.

So I reckon the Phase-Space of such a system would simply be a straight line from -q to +q at a particular momentum p and also the same line at -p (for the ball bouncing back in the opposite direction)

Would this be correct? If not any help would be appreciated!

Cheers,
Tom
 
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Yes, your description is correct. :smile:
 
Woo! I like being correct, Thanks!
 
You're welcome!

If you'd like to take it a step farther, think about how the phase-space diagram is modified for a deformable ball: when it hits the wall, it actually slows to a stop down over a short distance, then rebounds (speeds up over the same short distance) with the same velocity.
 
Hmm that may be similar to the next problem on my work sheet which asks to consider inelastic collisions.

Would the phase-space trajectory, over the short distance, rapidly decline to a zero momentum and then rapidly rise to the same momentum but negative (or opposite sign)?
 
Sekonda said:
Hmm that may be similar to the next problem on my work sheet which asks to consider inelastic collisions.

Would the phase-space trajectory, over the short distance, rapidly decline to a zero momentum and then rapidly rise to the same momentum but negative (or opposite sign)?
Yes. So those two horizontal line segments would be connected.

Inelastic conditions are a different question though.
 
Cool, in the inelastic condition it's losing energy and assumed to be over an infinitesimally small time interval - so I think we just get lines from -q to +q which occur over a number of momenta values that are ever decreasing.
 
Yup, you got it.
 
Cheers man, thank again!
 
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