Is the photoelectric effect in a photocell reversible?

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The discussion revolves around the reversibility of the photoelectric effect in a photocell, specifically examining whether the anode emits light when electrons travel from the cathode to the anode without an external voltage source. The scope includes theoretical considerations of the photoelectric effect, comparisons with related phenomena, and the specifics of electron interactions in different materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the anode emits light when electrons arrive, and if so, whether the emitted light is monochromatic at 470 THz or spans a continuous range from 470 to 570 THz.
  • Another participant argues that the interaction of electrons with the lattice in the anode does not equate to the interaction of photons with surface atoms, suggesting that the photoelectron would not produce light.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the concept of LEDs as a reverse photoelectric effect, where current produces light, and questions the differences between a diode junction and the anode of a photocell.
  • One participant highlights the differences between the semiconductor nature of diodes and the metallic nature of anodes, emphasizing their distinct operational principles.
  • A later reply mentions the concept of inverse photoemission, where higher energy electrons can cause light emission, contrasting it with the photoelectric effect and noting its application in spectroscopy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the anode emits light and the nature of that light, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved regarding the reversibility of the photoelectric effect in this context.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the conditions under which light emission might occur and the specific energy levels involved, which are not fully explored or resolved.

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Is the photoelectric effect in a photocell reversible? Suppose both the cathode and the anode of a photocell are from cesium. The anode and the cathode are externally (outside the photocell) connected by a copper wire. Cesium has a threshold frequency of 470 THz. The cathode is illuminated with monochromatic light of frequency 570 THz. Electrons fly from the cathode to the anode without acceleration of deceleration because no voltage source is connected to the anode. Two questions:

1) Does the anode emit light?
2) If the anode emits light: is the frequency of that light monochromatic 470 THz, or is the frequency in a continuous range from 470 to 570 THz?
 
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The situation where an electron arrived at and interacted with the lattice of many atoms with electrons associated with them is not the equivalent of a photon arriving and interacting with a single surface atom. So I can see no reason why the photoelectron would produce light. This is very different from the effect of a fast electron encountering an isolated gas molecule because that situation can transfer all or most of the electrons energy into changing the state of that single molecule / atom and producing ionisation, perhaps.
Sorry - duff sentence at the start of that but I didn't bother to tidy it up as it gives the gist of what I meant.
 
LEDs are sometimes viewed as a sort of reverse photoelectric effect, where a current produces light. When an electron travels across the junction, its excess energy is released as a photon. The threshold voltage of the diode corresponds to the energy of the emitted photon. What is the difference between the junction of the diode and the anode of the photocell?
 
A difference is that the diode junction is a semiconductor and not on the surface and the Anode is a metal and on the surface. Very little in common.
 
spareine said:
Is the photoelectric effect in a photocell reversible? Suppose both the cathode and the anode of a photocell are from cesium. The anode and the cathode are externally (outside the photocell) connected by a copper wire. Cesium has a threshold frequency of 470 THz. The cathode is illuminated with monochromatic light of frequency 570 THz. Electrons fly from the cathode to the anode without acceleration of deceleration because no voltage source is connected to the anode. Two questions:

1) Does the anode emit light?
2) If the anode emits light: is the frequency of that light monochromatic 470 THz, or is the frequency in a continuous range from 470 to 570 THz?

Your setup has an extremely low probability of emitting light.

However, there is such a thing as an inverse photoemission. This is where electrons (with higher energies than your setup) impinges on a surface, and that process causes the emission of light. The physics is the opposite of photoemission (which is a more general phenomenon than the photoelectric effect). This method is often used in inverse photoemission spectroscopy to study the unoccupied part of the band structure (photoemission spectroscopy probe the occupied side).

And as sophiecentaur has indicated, you should never confuse this with LED's because the process is different.

Zz.
 

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