Is the scientific method limiting the potential of physics?

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The discussion centers on the role of the scientific method in physics, questioning whether it limits the field's potential. Participants explore the implications of reproducibility in experiments and the philosophical aspects of time and space in understanding physical phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a belief that the scientific method may restrict physics by prioritizing reproducibility over unique phenomena, suggesting that this could hinder broader understanding.
  • One participant mentions that the laws of physics are generally considered invariant under time and translation, but acknowledges that some theories propose these laws might change over time.
  • There is a viewpoint that while physics is foundational, other sciences can serve as approximations, allowing for practical applications without needing to delve deeply into physics.
  • Another participant argues that the scientific method is not a strict method but rather a way of inferring from evidence, emphasizing that laws of physics can provide expectations beyond reproducible results.
  • A participant challenges the notion of the scientific method as limiting, suggesting that it supports hypotheses through reproducibility, which strengthens scientific inferences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the value and limitations of the scientific method in physics. There is no consensus on whether the scientific method is indeed limiting or if it serves a necessary purpose in the discipline.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions touch on philosophical implications regarding the nature of time and space, and the potential for alternative scientific methods, but these ideas remain speculative and unresolved.

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I heard somewhere that the goal of physics is to describe the most amount of phenomenon in the fewest terms. I really like that for some reason.

Of course then there is the scientific method, which I am less fond of. I wonder, in this day and age, is the scientific method actually limiting our efforts? Case in point - physics is relegated to being just another branch of the sciences. I mean, based on the goal, shouldn't it should be THE science?

My main concern is that the scientific method only accepts the conditions and results that can be reproduced. Someone in a lab in France must be capable of getting the same results a month, a year, or a century after what someone shows me right here and now (and if they still differ a little we call it noise, and describe it no further).

Of course the fundamental units of our experiments are space and time, but never the here and now. How can physics describe the most amount of phenomenon if it rules out any effects associated with a particular moment in time and a particular place in space (by virtue of the scientific method). I know that my existence and all my perception depends on these things.

Is there any better scientific method out there to take physics to the next level?
 
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One of the basic I guess you can call them "axioms" of physics is that the laws of physics are invariant under time and translation, i.e. movement to some other place.

One of my professors said that there are some ideas floating around saying the laws of physics change over time, but we can't tell right now anyway.

As to physics being THE science. Sure. It is. So what? If someone wants to do biology, you will make them learn physics first? That's pointless. Sure, having an understanding of physics will be great, but it won't really be worth the time.

Chemistry began as an offshoot of physics, and actually we've been learning about orbitals and stuff in my Quantum Mechanics class lately, but it took me 3 years to get here, whereas I could have done a LOT of other chemistry in the mean time, not really caring about modern physics, or any of my physics lab classes, if I had just wanted to do chemistry.

You can think of the other sciences as approximations and simplifications of physics. We do it all the time in physics, so some other branch should have no problem giving the approximate case for something that we can't really tell the difference from the actual case anyway.
 
shotgun said:
I heard somewhere that the goal of physics is to describe the most amount of phenomenon in the fewest terms. I really like that for some reason.

Of course then there is the scientific method, which I am less fond of. I wonder, in this day and age, is the scientific method actually limiting our efforts? Case in point - physics is relegated to being just another branch of the sciences. I mean, based on the goal, shouldn't it should be THE science?

My main concern is that the scientific method only accepts the conditions and results that can be reproduced. Someone in a lab in France must be capable of getting the same results a month, a year, or a century after what someone shows me right here and now (and if they still differ a little we call it noise, and describe it no further).

Of course the fundamental units of our experiments are space and time, but never the here and now. How can physics describe the most amount of phenomenon if it rules out any effects associated with a particular moment in time and a particular place in space (by virtue of the scientific method). I know that my existence and all my perception depends on these things.

Is there any better scientific method out there to take physics to the next level?


This is metaphysics mumbo jumbo.

'here and now' ----......okay.

The part I made bold is self contradicting.
 
shotgun said:
Of course then there is the scientific method

The what? There is no method in any interesting sense of the word method. Scientists infer from evidence, like regular folk.

It's great when results are reproduced because that supports the hypothesis being tested and strengthens the inference.

I think you're saying "surely we can say stuff about instances that aren't reproduceable?" The answer is of course you can: the laws of physics don't only tell us about results in scientific experiments. They tell us what to expect from the whole world.
 
shotgun said:
I heard somewhere that the goal of physics is to describe the most amount of phenomenon in the fewest terms. I really like that for some reason.

Of course then there is the scientific method, which I am less fond of. I wonder, in this day and age, is the scientific method actually limiting our efforts? Case in point - physics is relegated to being just another branch of the sciences. I mean, based on the goal, shouldn't it should be THE science?

My main concern is that the scientific method only accepts the conditions and results that can be reproduced. Someone in a lab in France must be capable of getting the same results a month, a year, or a century after what someone shows me right here and now (and if they still differ a little we call it noise, and describe it no further).

Of course the fundamental units of our experiments are space and time, but never the here and now. How can physics describe the most amount of phenomenon if it rules out any effects associated with a particular moment in time and a particular place in space (by virtue of the scientific method). I know that my existence and all my perception depends on these things.

Is there any better scientific method out there to take physics to the next level?


I recommend reading the following: http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/badmodl.htm"
 
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