Is the Speed of Light Changing? Implications for Permittivity and Permeability.

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The discussion centers on the potential implications of a changing speed of light for the permittivity and permeability of vacuum, questioning whether these constants are truly constant or merely experimentally measured. It highlights that the speed of light, vacuum permittivity, and vacuum permeability are defined by the system of units used, with natural units equating them to 1. The fine structure constant, a dimensionless number, is emphasized as an important factor that is currently only experimentally measured and not derivable. Recent analyses of historical data suggest a slight decrease in the fine structure constant, indicating a possible small increase in the speed of light, though this remains a topic of debate. Overall, the relationship between the speed of light and material properties is acknowledged, particularly when light transitions from vacuum to other media.
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If the speed of light is changing, does this mean that the permattivity and/or permeability are dynamically changing quantities? are these "constants" derivable yet or are they still only experimentally measured quantities?
 
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iScience said:
If the speed of light is changing, does this mean that the permattivity and/or permeability are dynamically changing quantities? are these "constants" derivable yet or are they still only experimentally measured quantities?

What makes you think the speed of light (in vacuum) is changing?
 
iScience said:
If the speed of light is changing, does this mean that the permattivity and/or permeability are dynamically changing quantities? are these "constants" derivable yet or are they still only experimentally measured quantities?
The speed of light, vacuum permettivity and vacuum permeability are all determined by the system of units. In natural units they are all equal to 1, and in CGS the vacuum permeability and permittivity do not even exist.

What you should really be asking is if the fine structure constant is derivable or only experimentally measured. That is a dimensionless number and so is independent of the system of units. It characterizes the physics rather than the units.

The answer is that the fine structure constant is experimentally measured, not yet derivable.
 
Has there been a follow up to..

http://www.newscientist.com/article...t-may-have-changed-recently.html#.U6_HJ2cU91M

Now, Lamoreaux, along with LANL colleague Justin Torgerson, has re-analysed the Oklo data using what he says are more realistic figures for the energy spectrum of the neutrons present in the reactor. The results have surprised him. Alpha, it seems, has decreased by more than 4.5 parts in 108 since Oklo was live (Physical Review D, vol 69, p121701).

That translates into a very small increase in the speed of light (assuming no change in the other constants that alpha depends on), but Lamoreaux's new analysis is so precise that he can rule out the possibility of zero change in the speed of light. "It's pretty exciting," he says.
 
What makes you think the speed of light (in vacuum) is changing?

I just assumed he was referring to vacuum

The speed of light, vacuum permettivity and vacuum permeability are all determined by the system of units. In natural units they are all equal to 1, and in CGS the vacuum permeability and permittivity do not even exist.

what's CGS?
 
the speed of light will be changed when the light goes from the vacuum into the media due to the change of the permability and permittivity. the speed of the light is related to these material properties by checking the wave equations in the medias.
 

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