Is the time independent Schrodinger equation commutative?

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The discussion centers on the time-independent Schrödinger equation and the confusion surrounding its commutativity. Participants analyze the equation and identify a mistake related to the application of coefficients to the potential term, which affects the resulting differential equations. A key point of contention is the relationship between the operators and their eigenvalues, with corrections made regarding the terms involved. The conversation highlights the importance of properly handling derivatives and the implications of the non-commutativity of certain operators. Ultimately, the participants arrive at a clearer understanding of the equation's structure and the necessary adjustments.
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A particle moves in the potential ##V(x) = -\frac{\hbar^2}{m} \text{sech}^2{x}##. Show that ##A^{\dagger}A \psi = (\mathcal{E} + 1)\psi## where ##\mathcal{E} = \frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}## and ##A = \frac{d}{dx} + \tanh{x}##, ##A^{\dagger} = -\frac{d}{dx} + \tanh{x}##.

Hence show that the ground state has ##\mathcal{E} \geq -1## and that a wavefunction ##\psi_0(x)## has an energy eigenstate with ##\mathcal{E} = -1## iff ##\frac{d\psi_0}{dx} + \tanh{(x)} \psi_0 = 0## and find ##\psi_0(x)##.
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I'm falling at the first hurdle here; the time independent Schrodinger becomes $$-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m} \psi''(x) - \frac{\hbar^2}{m}\text{sech}^2(x) \psi(x) = E\psi(x)$$ $$\left(-\frac{d^2}{dx^2} - 2\text{sech}^2(x) \right)\psi(x) = \frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}\psi(x) = \mathcal{E} \psi(x)$$ $$\left(-\frac{d^2}{dx^2} + 2\tanh^2(x) \right)\psi(x) = (\mathcal{E}+2) \psi(x)$$ But this can't be right since ##A^{\dagger}A = \tanh^2(x) - \frac{d^2}{dx^2}## and I've also got a 2 on the other side.

I wondered if anyone could point out my mistake? Thanks!
 
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Applying coefficient 1/2 on V(x) seems to satisfy the given relation.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
Applying coefficient 1/2 on V(x) seems to satisfy the given relation.

I noticed that but the source of these questions is usually very reliable so I thought there's no way it could be a mistake! But if you say so also, then I am happy to correct it and work from that. Thanks!
 
A further question; with an integrating factor and then with some normalisation I can find $$\psi(x) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}\cosh{x}}$$ for the equation ##\frac{d\psi}{dx} + \tanh{x} \psi(x) = 0##. But how was it possible to obtain this differential equation from the second order one above? We know that ##A^{\dagger}A## has eigenvalues greater than or equal to zero.
 
I found my post #2 was wrong. From OP
(-\frac{d^2}{dx^2}+2\tanh^2 x -1)\psi(x)=(\epsilon+1) \psi(x)
(-\frac{d}{dx}+\tanh x)(\frac{d}{dx}+\tanh x)\psi(x)=(\epsilon+1) \psi(x)
using
-\frac{d}{dx}(\tanh x\ \psi(x))= (-1 + tanh^2x)\psi(x) - \tanh x \frac{d}{dx}\psi(x)<br />
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
I found my post #2 was wrong.
How so? It gives the correct result: $$ \begin{align*}-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m} \psi''(x) - \frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\text{sech}^2(x) \psi(x) &= E\psi(x) \\ \left(-\frac{d^2}{dx^2} - \text{sech}^2(x) \right)\psi(x) &= \frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}\psi(x) = \mathcal{E} \psi(x) \\ A^{\dagger}A \psi(x) = \left(-\frac{d^2}{dx^2} + \tanh^2(x) \right)\psi(x) &= (\mathcal{E}+1) \psi(x) \end{align*}$$
 
We have forgotten the term
-\frac{d \tanh x }{dx} \psi(x)
 
anuttarasammyak said:
We have forgotten about the term
-\frac{d \tanh x }{dx} \psi(x)

I'm sorry, I don't follow. Isn't it just a difference of two squares? That along with ##\tanh^2(x) + \text{sech}^2(x) = 1##.
 
(-\frac{d}{dx}+\tanh x)(\frac{d}{dx}+\tanh x)\psi(x)=-\frac{d^2 \psi(x)}{dx^2}+\tanh x\frac{d \psi(x)}{dx}+\tanh^2 x\ \psi(x)-\frac{d}{dx}[\tanh x\ \psi(x)]
 
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Ah okay, yes you're right it's not commutative.
 
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