B Is the Universe Truly Eternal or Just a Temporary Fluctuation?

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The discussion centers on the concept of whether the universe is eternal or merely a temporary fluctuation, with proponents arguing that the long lifespans of protons and electrons suggest an eternal universe. The argument posits that considering the universe as eternal is as plausible as viewing it as finite, especially since it appears to have no end. Critics counter that the longevity of protons does not necessarily imply an eternal universe, as this inference lacks direct observational evidence. The conversation also touches on the implications of black hole evaporation and the heat death of the universe, suggesting that these factors do not significantly alter the overarching debate. Ultimately, the nature of the universe remains a complex topic with no definitive conclusion.
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With the life of a proton exceeding 10 to the 34 years and the electron even greater why can't we assume the universe is eternal and the big bang a fluctuation in that duration? Its no more difficult to consider an eternal universe as it is a finite one with nothing coming before as it seems that it will never end.
 
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mcronald said:
With the life of a proton exceeding 10 to the 34 years and the electron even greater why can't we assume the universe is eternal and the big bang a fluctuation in that duration? Its no more difficult to consider an eternal universe as it is a finite one with nothing coming before as it seems that it will never end.
I guess it depends on how infinite your infinity has to be.
The largest black holes will take 10 ^ 100 to evaporate.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe#Time_frame_for_heat_death
 
mcronald said:
With the life of a proton exceeding 10 to the 34 years and the electron even greater why can't we assume the universe is eternal and the big bang a fluctuation in that duration?
I do not quite see how you make this inference. That the proton has a lifetime larger than ##10^{34}## years by no means implies that the universe must be eternal.

Edit: Nobody has observed a proton for ##10^{34}## years. The proton mean-life (or bounds on it) are inferred from observing a large number of protons. Particle decays work according to an exponential distribution and if the mean-life would be ##10^{x}## years and you observed ##10^{x}## particles for one year, you would expect one of those particles to decay.
 
mcronald said:
With the life of a proton exceeding 10 to the 34 years and the electron even greater why can't we assume the universe is eternal and the big bang a fluctuation in that duration? Its no more difficult to consider an eternal universe as it is a finite one with nothing coming before as it seems that it will never end.
This is a good read on the subject:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe

The short version of the above, in relation to your question, is that proton decay doesn't change the overall picture: it's more a detail than a big change to the overall picture.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombination_(cosmology) Was a matter density right after the decoupling low enough to consider the vacuum as the actual vacuum, and not the medium through which the light propagates with the speed lower than ##({\epsilon_0\mu_0})^{-1/2}##? I'm asking this in context of the calculation of the observable universe radius, where the time integral of the inverse of the scale factor is multiplied by the constant speed of light ##c##.
Why was the Hubble constant assumed to be decreasing and slowing down (decelerating) the expansion rate of the Universe, while at the same time Dark Energy is presumably accelerating the expansion? And to thicken the plot. recent news from NASA indicates that the Hubble constant is now increasing. Can you clarify this enigma? Also., if the Hubble constant eventually decreases, why is there a lower limit to its value?

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