Is there a closed form of this expression?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of obtaining a closed form for the expression H(s) defined as a sum involving parameters a, s, and k. Participants explore the nature of the sum, its convergence, and related expressions, with a focus on both theoretical and practical implications in a specific application context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a, s, and k are numbers, suggesting that if they are, the sum may diverge depending on the value of k.
  • Another participant reformulates the original expression into a potentially more standard form, indicating that this might be easier to analyze or find a closed form for.
  • A participant provides additional context about the parameters, clarifying that a is a constant, s is a variable (frequency), and k is a real scalar greater than 1.
  • There is a mention of experimentation with Mathcad, suggesting that the original expression produces bounded results under certain conditions, although concerns about divergence are raised.
  • A participant expresses a desire for a closed form solution for a related expression, FB(s), and requests more precise definitions of the parameters involved.
  • Another participant reiterates the need for clarity in the definitions of a, k, and s to facilitate the discussion and potential solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the convergence of the sums involved, with some suggesting divergence while others indicate bounded behavior based on their experiences. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the existence of a closed form for the expressions presented.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the parameters a, s, and k, as well as the conditions under which the sums may converge or diverge. The mathematical steps leading to a closed form solution are not fully explored or agreed upon.

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Hi,
(not homework/academic)
Is a closed form of the following expression possible? Either way, some pointers in the right direction would be really helpful.

<br /> H(s)=\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty \frac{k^n}{k^n+a/s}<br />

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Are a, s and k numbers? If so then this sum is divergent - as n goes to +/- infinity, the summand converges to 1 depending on whether k is larger than or smaller than 1
 
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Sorry, the process of posting this, made me think of something which might be helpful:
<br /> H(s)=\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty \frac{1}{1+a/(s.k^n)}<br />
so...
<br /> H(s)=\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty \frac{1}{1+a.k^{-n}/s}<br />
I might be able to google this one as it looks a bit more like a standard form of something.
 
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Are a, s and k numbers? If so then this sum is divergent - as n goes to +/- infinity, the summand converges to 1 depending on whether k is larger than or smaller than 1

a is a constant, yes and s is a variable (actually frequency in my application).

I already know from experimentation in Mathcad that an expression using this basic block produces a reasonable result (I suppose I should say bounded). The original expression is 2nd order and the associated response in s tends to 0 as s->0 and as s->INF. I managed to break down the original into a partial fraction sum so could treat it as 2 independent infinite sums of 1st order functions like the one shown. I didn't consider if/whether the 1st order expressions would diverge or not.

Perhaps I should post my original problem.
 
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Here is my original problem:
<br /> FB(s)=\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty \frac{a(k^ns)}{(k^ns)^2+a(k^ns)+1}<br />
This is what I really want to obtain the closed form solution for.
 
blahdeblah said:
Here is my original problem:
<br /> FB(s)=\sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty \frac{a(k^ns)}{(k^ns)^2+a(k^ns)+1}<br />
This is what I really want to obtain the closed form solution for.

Entirely inadequate. Please restate the question precisely defining what a, k, and s are and not just "numbers" either.
 
k is a real scalar > 1
a is a real scalar > 0
s is a imaginary scalar > 0

My first post asks if there is a closed form expression of the infinite sum given. If the answer is yes, then some guidance in the right direction to help to obtain it would be very helpful.

If a solution is indeed available then I think it follows that the expression in my last post (#6) can be solved.
 
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