Is there a correlation between birth month and disease risk?

[Les Sleeth]

..tip toes out of the room...

Right behind you . . .

 

[skywise]

Wait Wait! Before everyone takes off, I was hoping someone better informed about these things could shed some light for me as to wether or not there is anything to this..

"I must call the reader's attention to the well-known correspondence between the sun-spot periods and the mortality curve. The connecting link appears to be the disturbances of the Earth's magnetic field, which in their turn are due to fluctuations in the proton radiation from the sun. These fluctuations also have an influence on "radio weather" by disturbing the ionosphere that reflects the radio waves. Investigation of these disturbances seems to indicate that the conjunctions, oppositions, and quartile aspects of the planets play a considerable part in increasing the proton radiation and thus causing electromagnetic storms. On the other hand the astrologically favourable trine and sextile aspects have been reported to produce uniform radio weather." -Carl Jung


Do the the planets affect radio waves differently according to their position??

 

[Monique]

Wouldn't the radiowaves from you phone/radio/television be more influentional?

 

[Kerrie]

monique, what do you think of the challenge i proposed of interpreting your chart and having a 3rd party that knows you well to make the judgement call of how close the chart is to your personality?

 

[pelastration]

... now a college in Seattle that offers 4 year degrees on astrology. A favorite book of mine that I highly recommend is by Kevin Burk, who has obtained a level IV NCGR certificatication in astrological counseling called Understanding the Birth Chart. This book is a textbook in studying for these certificates which in the astrological community are highly regarded so you can be assured that they are not published by a fly-by-night New Age publisher.

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Pel..."the computer one is only the start. Of course there is a need to have human interpretation. As I told you before: I do astro for more then 40 years."

I haven't completely delved into your posts I apologize, time doesn't lend itself generously to me these days. I think the need to have a human interpretation is highly important because of the need for judgement and complex understanding. Do you have a certificate or degree after all these years of studying? It is my goal someday to begin earning my NCGR certificates when I have the time and money.

No in Europe we don't have something like that college in Seattle. What we have is a number of private groups teached by well-known or experienced astrologers. But no official certificates. I am not particular interested in certificates, but it can be useful for the new generations of astrologers. It was never my intention to make it my profession. I started when I was 14, and made thousands of themes. I judged astro to give other information that otherwise was not available, not a systeem that could give the only truth. It's an interesting analytic tool. It shows a number of hidden patterns and dynamics. Astro indicates personal positive and negative area's or cycles which may be repetitive. Knowing them can help us to understand what happens to us and how we can better control our personal system and energy.

Maybe I should add here for people new in astro that there are several types of horoscopes:
(1)Radix horoscope (Birthdate) which is like the type of vehicle that you start with,
(2)The progression horoscope showing your progression or evolution in your life (or the location of your vehicle on it's road, topology of the area) and
(3) the Transit horoscope (the influences of the actual planet positions on your vehicle, cfr. the quality of the road, weather on that location, etc).
Comparing partners and lovers in a combined horoscope: The synastic horoscope.

But as I said before, I want to know why, how, if, can it ... . And my experience is that it is all related to spacetime geometry and non-local communication. The steps between: cosmic radiation influencing the first basic cell-dividings + the moment of birth = moment of the first independent living of the born.

 

[Monique]

monique, what do you think of the challenge i proposed of interpreting your chart and having a 3rd party that knows you well to make the judgement call of how close the chart is to your personality?

That would be fine by me.. but why have a 3rd party interpret my personality and you directly giving the astrological examination

Since you know me rather well through these forums, you are not objective in your opinion and are biased in reading the charts in a manner that applies to me. And I don't think that a 3rd party would know my true personality as well as I would myself..

But if you don't think it would be a waste of time, I'd be interested to find out :)

 

[Ivan Seeking]

How are you to gauge your own objectivity?

 

[Monique]

I think I know myself pretty well.. how would I be not objective?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I think I know myself pretty well.. how would I be not objective?

It just seems like a highly subjective approach. Wouldn't a sophisticated personality test be a better reference?

 

[Kerrie]

monique, i think ivan has a point...i want to prove how astrology works which would mean me being as objective as possible, and no, i don't know you very well through these forums as far as your deeper personality goes, only the outside stuff which astrology does not point out...i think it is much more difficult for people to be objective of themselves, and that is why i suggested someone who knows you personally to assess the human generated birth chart.

 

[pelastration]

Before I suggested that cosmic ray's may be shielded by planets and/or that that there will be Einstein lens effects. Changes in X-rays may influence the starting conditions of cell dividing and also the dividing conditions during the growth of the embryo (three basic layers: endoderm, ectoderm and mesoderm).

On next link you can see how that happens. Here it is a rare event but this happens all the time with our planets.

http://chandra.harvard.edu/press/04_releases/press_040504.html

Quote: "A rare celestial event was captured by NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory as Titan -- Saturn's largest moon and the only moon in the Solar System with a thick atmosphere -- crossed in front of the X-ray bright Crab Nebula. The X-ray shadow cast by Titan allowed astronomers to make the first X-ray measurement of the extent of its atmosphere.

On January 5, 2003, Titan transited the Crab Nebula, the remnant of a supernova explosion that was observed to occur in the year 1054. Although Saturn and Titan pass within a few degrees of the Crab Nebula every 30 years, they rarely pass directly in front of it.

"This may have been the first transit of the Crab Nebula by Titan since the birth of the Crab Nebula," said Koji Mori of Pennsylvania State University in University Park, and lead author on an Astrophysical Journal paper describing these results. "The next similar conjunction will take place in the year 2267, so this was truly a once in a lifetime event."

 

[MagneticEnergies]

Astrology has been a hobbie of mine for 4 years now...it is somethign that i believe is a guideline for human thought and emotions...u can't judge a book by its cover but if u read the back u have an insight as to what it may offer you... also the goal for any human is self realization.. astrology has opened me up to myself..if u are skeptical u ought to read up on your signs and see if u can relate...if not then maybe it isn't meant for u..ive tried convincing people about its legitimacy,but some people are to tarnished by our "logical" society...its not about predicting the future..its about knowing thyself and others

 

[i_wish_i_was_smart]

according to astrology, this year is my year the year of the VIRGO

 

[Moonbear]

Did anyone ever answer the original question here? There's about a three day "gray area" called a "cusp" at the beginning and end of each sign's month. People born in those few days are supposed to have some characteristics of both signs. I'm born right between Libra and Scorpio, which means I get to like both red and blue :-) It's all good entertainment. Sometimes when I'm having a bad day, I go read my horoscope for a pick-me-up...they always say things will be better than they are.

 

[pelastration]

Did anyone ever answer the original question here? There's about a three day "gray area" called a "cusp" at the beginning and end of each sign's month. People born in those few days are supposed to have some characteristics of both signs. I'm born right between Libra and Scorpio, which means I get to like both red and blue :-)

You can check the ephemerides on this site: http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/jekyll/75/fm.html
If I remember well the changes are due the changes in the angle of the Earth axis rotation. An identical interposition (of all 10 "planets") takes about 16,000 years.

 

[Kerrie]

Did anyone ever answer the original question here? There's about a three day "gray area" called a "cusp" at the beginning and end of each sign's month. People born in those few days are supposed to have some characteristics of both signs. I'm born right between Libra and Scorpio, which means I get to like both red and blue :-) It's all good entertainment. Sometimes when I'm having a bad day, I go read my horoscope for a pick-me-up...they always say things will be better than they are.

yes moonbear, i answered saint his question in a private message. because he is on the opposite side of the world as i am, determining his "sun sign" was a little more of a challenge then i am used to. in order for me to have calculated where the ecliptic of the Earth was, i had to ask him for the time and place of birth as well as the date. interesting to note, many do not realize all of the facts that astrology is based on---the personal interpretation is what is so subjective.

 

[MagneticEnergies]

Heres a thought...

the bipolar disorder...someone needs to conduct a survey on the percentages of people that have been diagnosed with this "disorder" with their zodiacs on a cusp...i looked into it a little cause me myself am a cancer/gemini and i have this "disorder"..my brother is a capricorn/sagittarius and he to is bi polar...kurt kobain was a picses/aquarius and was also diagnosed... the term bipolar says a lot right there..having a mix of positive and negative energy..causing a turmoil of emotion and thought...im just curious as to what the results would yield...if anyone has any info let me know..thanx

 

[pelastration]

the bipolar disorder...someone needs to conduct a survey on the percentages of people that have been diagnosed with this "disorder" with their zodiacs on a cusp...i looked into it a little cause me myself am a cancer/gemini and i have this "disorder"..my brother is a capricorn/sagittarius and he to is bi polar...kurt kobain was a picses/aquarius and was also diagnosed... the term bipolar says a lot right there..having a mix of positive and negative energy..causing a turmoil of emotion and thought...im just curious as to what the results would yield...if anyone has any info let me know..thanx

I don't think bipolar disorder is related to these cusps.
The basic aspects of the Moon will play an essential role in the radix horoscope (birth) in relation to bipolar disorder.
The transits (actual planets) will activate them shortly, and also the aspects in progression over a longer time.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Scientists link month of birth to diseases

Pisces (Feb. 19 - March 20): Governed by Neptune and symbolized by the fish. Compassionate, introspective, artistic. Often dreamy and impractical. May be prone to schizophrenia, epilepsy or bipolar disorder.

It may sound like some kind of new, madcap astrology, but a number of scientists are becoming convinced that our birth month may predispose us to particular diseases later in life. [continued]

http://www.indystar.com/articles/8/171836-6908-010.html

 

[Kerrie]

thanks for the link ivan this correlates with true astrology's theme-we are all apart of the universe cycling around one another, where many today try so hard to separate "us" from our environment...

 

[Ivan Seeking]

What amazes me are the number of attacks on Astrology that I have heard based on the notion that no relationship between birth month, health, state of mind, or the personalilty of a person. Considering that if only now are we learning that something as definitive as bipolar disorder may be related to one's DOB, this tells me that many attacks on this subject are premature and misguided; at best. If this report is correct then obviously we can't yet know if Astrology works. Any "proof" based attacks against astrology are either incorrect, or pseudoscience.

Note that I do not "believe" in Astrology.

 

[The Bob]

I did my own tests a while ago based on DOB. I thought that people born later were generally less intelligent unless in a very stable and guidable family enviroment. Also attached and unattached earlobes was another thing I noticed was linked. So DOBs do make a difference in my opinion. I was born 'late' and I have unattached earlobes but I am still quiet intelligent. However I have always struggled in English lessons and have my moments of stupidity. My friend, however, was born in October (btw, I am talking an acedemic year) and he has no problem in an subject. His earlobes are attached. Just some interesting points I found about people's DOBs. It isn't always true but I have found it to be in about 75% of people at my school.

The Bob (2004 ©)

P.S. I apologise if this has wondered into the theory side of things but really it is my opinion with a little evidence, not a theory.

 

[Moonbear]

DOB and school performance is more often related to one's maturity for their grade level. If you're born near the end of the year cut-off for enrollment in school, you can be almost a year younger than some of your classmates. I'm an October birthday and very close to the cut-off used way back when I entered Kindergarten (at the time, it was Nov 1). At that time, they tested children that close to the cut-off to determine if they were mature enough to enter that year's class, or wait a year to start school. I guess I passed the test. I was always the youngest kid in the class, though it really didn't hurt me much I suppose. A kid down the block from me had a birthday very close to mine and was recommended to start a year later.

As for the other topic brought up of month of birth relating to disease risk, the studies are far too inconsistent in what they find. I can find two papers, published within the same year, that will say there is a correlation between birth month and breast cancer risk, and then one says they found a peak in October, and the other in May. And when you look at the actual data, it's all over the place! Believe me, I was hoping there was a correlation, so was disappointed to see such inconsistent results (the reasons I was hoping for a correlation are a whole different subject, so I won't go into it here).