Is there a fourier series for ln(x)?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of a Fourier series representation for the function ln(x) and its potential application in integrating sin(x)/ln(x). Participants explore the conditions under which a function can have a Fourier series and the implications for integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether ln(x) can be represented by a Fourier series, noting that a function must be oscillating or periodic to have such a representation.
  • One participant suggests that any reasonable integrable function, including ln(x) under certain conditions, can have a Fourier series, referencing the Dirichlet conditions.
  • Concerns are raised about the behavior of ln(x) around x = 0, which may affect its Fourier series representation.
  • There is a discussion about the integration of sin(x)/ln(x), with some participants asserting that a simple antiderivative is unlikely to exist and recommending numerical methods instead.
  • One participant proposes that for the second part of the question, a Fourier series for 1/ln(x) could be more relevant, but notes the circularity of finding Fourier coefficients through the integral itself.
  • Another participant clarifies that while a function must be periodic for a Fourier series, one can create a periodic function by replicating a function over an interval.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of Fourier series to ln(x) and the nature of functions that can be represented this way. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions and implications for integration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the behavior of ln(x) near x = 0 and the implications of periodicity for Fourier series representation.

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If so, could it be used to integrate sin(x)/ln(x)
 
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You aren't going to find a simple antiderivative of that and if you are looking for a definite integral just use a numerical method directly on the integral.
 
LCKurtz said:
You aren't going to find a simple antiderivative of that and if you are looking for a definite integral just use a numerical method directly on the integral.

That was the second part of the question, I believe he was more looking for the first part... (And if you believe substituting a function with a Fourier series in order to integrate it is easy, then you must be a genius...)

Anyways, doesn't a function have to be oscillating to have a Fourier series?
 
Yes, and yes, but both qualified yes's.

Any reasonable integrable function has a Fourier series (actually, I believe it's ANY Lebesgue integrable function, if you allow divergence on a set of measure 0 if I remember right). Dichirlet conditions. If you restrict to most intervals ln x will satisfy that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirichlet_conditions

The only problem is around x = 0.

Actually, for the second part, you want a Fourier series for 1/ ln x. Then, all but one of the terms will be orthogonal to sin x on a well-chosen interval, so all you need is one of the Fourier coefficients. But for one thing, it's circular because the way you FIND the Fourier coefficient is to do that integral. And for another thing, you can only do it over a period of sin x because that is what orthogonality refers to. So, it doesn't really have any significance, as far as I'm aware.

Anyways, doesn't a function have to be oscillating to have a Fourier series?

Not exactly. It has to be periodic. But if you just want a Fourier series that works over an interval, just take that interval and look at that, and then take infinitely many copies of the function on that interval and it's periodic.
 

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