Is There a Limit to Charge Density Similar to Mass Density in Black Holes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the concept of charge density in relation to black hole formation, questioning whether there is a limit to charge density similar to the limit of mass density that leads to black holes. It also touches on the similarities between electrical and gravitational equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant wonders if excessive charge density in a vacuum leads to a phenomenon analogous to black hole formation due to mass density.
  • Another participant notes that high charge density can result in discharges, such as sparks or lightning, rather than forming a stable structure like a black hole.
  • Some participants highlight the resemblance between electrical equations and gravitational equations, specifically mentioning the inverse square law.
  • A participant provides examples of high voltage generators and methods to achieve high charge densities in vacuum or dielectric gases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the comparison between charge density and mass density, with some suggesting that the two are fundamentally different, while others are curious about potential parallels.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the question of whether a limit to charge density exists, nor does it clarify the implications of charge density in a vacuum versus other conditions.

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We are doing electricity now in school and it made me wonder..
When there is too much mass in a certain amount of volume, it supposedly forms a black hole, right? Well, does anything happen when there is too much charge density?

I know this excess charge would want to neutralize itself and so it would pull on surrounding opposite charges, but let's say that its in a vacuum and so cannot neutralize itself



Also, on a related note, I find it fascinating that the electricity equations very much resemble gravitational equations...is there a simple explanation as to why this is so?
 
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Also, on a related note, I find it fascinating that the electricity equations very much

Inverse square law.
 
mathman said:
Inverse square law.

thanks.
does anyone know the answer to my first question though?
 
kahwawashay1, Black hole formation is quite different from electrostatics. Trying to compare mass density and charge density is of limited value.

When there is large buildup of charge (voltage), or “too much charge density” a spark will try to jump or “arc” across a gap to discharge it. Natural lightning is a good example of this.

Here are two sources of information on charge density:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_density
http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/semester2/c03_chargedensity.html

Here is an example of a high voltage generator that creates a large charge density:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_de_Graaff_generator

When higher charge densities (voltages) are desired, for particle accelerators, for example, the charge generator can be placed in a vacuum. Another method is to pressurize the generator in a dielectric (insulating) gas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_hexafluoride
 

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