Is there a wavelength shift in the way digital cameras represent color

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential for digital cameras to detect non-visible wavelengths, particularly in the context of capturing images of ghosts during a Halloween tour. Participants explore the mechanisms of digital cameras, specifically CCD sensors, and the implications of infrared (IR) sensitivity in producing images that may not be visible to the human eye.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that digital cameras may detect non-visible wavelengths, leading to the appearance of ghost images that are not visible until photographed.
  • Another participant explains that CCD sensors in digital cameras can see into the infrared spectrum, although there are filters that limit this sensitivity. They propose that strong IR illumination could make objects visible to the camera but not to the human eye.
  • A different participant agrees with the idea that solid-state sensors are sensitive to IR and discusses the possibility of using heaters to create a temperature difference that could be detected by the camera, although they note that conventional IR heaters may not be suitable.
  • One participant counters that a heater would not make something visible in a consumer digital camera and emphasizes the distinction between near IR and far IR, arguing that the ability to sense heat like a FLIR camera is not possible with standard CCD cameras.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms by which digital cameras might capture non-visible images, particularly regarding the role of IR sensitivity and the effectiveness of heaters. There is no consensus on the validity of the proposed methods or the underlying physics.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the limitations of consumer digital cameras, including the presence of filters that affect IR sensitivity and the distinction between different types of infrared radiation. The discussion includes assumptions about the capabilities of digital cameras that are not universally accepted.

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After going on a ghost tour over Halloween, several people were able to take photos of ghosts seen through an old hotel window, a few stories above our position. This got me to wonder if this was a trick that relied on the way that the digital cameras may be able to detect non-visible wavelengths, and display them in an image that we can see. I also wondered what type of invisible paint they would use to paint the ghost images that could only be seen by a digital camera. The ghost images look painted, but you can only see them after taking their picture. How was the trick done?
 
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CCD sensors in digital cameras see into the IR a bit. There is a filter in the lens system that filters this out, but it is only so-so (removing that filter is what Sony Night Vision Video is all about)

If they illuminated the pictures with stong IR (invisible to humans) it could show up in the camera but the room would appear dark to humans.

You can prove this by using your camera to look at your infrared remote control. Just look in the viewfinder while pressing the remote.
 
jleach said:
After going on a ghost tour over Halloween, several people were able to take photos of ghosts seen through an old hotel window, a few stories above our position. This got me to wonder if this was a trick that relied on the way that the digital cameras may be able to detect non-visible wavelengths, and display them in an image that we can see. I also wondered what type of invisible paint they would use to paint the ghost images that could only be seen by a digital camera. The ghost images look painted, but you can only see them after taking their picture. How was the trick done?

I think you basically have the right idea. Many solid state sensors tend to be strongly sensitive to IR. There are three sensors in a colour camera and the long wavelength sensor (people may refer to it as the Red Sensor) is sensitive over a wide spectral range, spilling well into the IR. Most cameras use a filter over the sensor to cut out most of the IR so as to bring the long wavelength sensor response to be more like that of the human eye. It will still let some IR through, though. To produce a fake ghost, all you would need would be a heater to get the surface of an object (actor in fancy dress) hotter than the background and the camera might detect a difference in the stray energy from parts of the 'dark' scene in the window. A conventional 'Infra Red' heater would probably not do the job because they tend to glow red. I believe you can purchase IR flood lamps, which have a filter which cuts out nearly all the visible red bits (for Wildlife and Security cameras).
The fact that you would only get rubbishy images would not matter in this case - even better, perhaps!
If you can get to the image sensor in your digital camera, it is possible, so they say, to remove the IR filter and you then have yourself an IR camera. It's a one way process so only do it with an old camera.
 
No way any heater will make something visible in a consumer digital camera. You need "near IR", like what comes out of your TV remote control or IR flood lights. IR does not mean heat. There is a big difference between near (reflected) and far (thermal) IR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared#Commonly_used_sub-division_scheme

You cannot remove the IR filter in a CCD camera and sense heat like in a FLIR camera.
 

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