Is there a way to know how the amplitude of a wave will evolve?

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The discussion revolves around the evolution of wave amplitude, particularly in the context of plane and spherical waves, and how this relates to energy conservation and the behavior of electromagnetic fields as described by Maxwell's equations. Participants explore the implications of these equations on understanding wave propagation and energy density changes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to predict how the amplitude of a wave evolves by only examining the electric (E) and magnetic (B) fields at a specific point, referencing the behavior of plane and spherical waves.
  • Another participant suggests that the discussion can be resolved by considering the definition of the Poynting vector.
  • A mathematical expression is provided that relates the evolution of energy density to the divergence of the Poynting vector and the interaction of current density with the electric field.
  • It is noted that the spreading of a wave leads to a decrease in energy density, which is a statement of conservation of energy.
  • Further clarification is offered regarding the term J·E, which represents the power transferred to charges in the context of a charge distribution, linking it to classical definitions of power.

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Participants present various viewpoints and mathematical expressions related to wave amplitude evolution and energy conservation, but no consensus is reached on a singular approach or resolution to the original question.

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Participants discuss the implications of different wave types on energy density without resolving the underlying assumptions about the applicability of Maxwell's equations in specific contexts.

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It’s very well know that Maxwell equations bring the solution for plane waves but as far as I know I cannot use them to detect how the field would evolve by only looking the E and B fields on the contour of the point under evaluation. Is that possible?
My question comes because on a plane wave, if we look at some point, all the points on the same plane of propagation that the point under study have the same phase, the same amplitude and they propagate on the same direction so this must be the reason the field doesn’t decrease as it propagates.
On the other hand, on a spherical wave, the contour of a point in the plane parallel to the (local) direction of propagation will have the same amplitude but different direction. I suppose this difference between these two types of waves is what makes spherical waves to decrease whereas plane waves don’t.
Does somebody know if there are some equations that can locally explain this?


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Ok, the matter gets closed by looking at the Pointing's vector definition :).
 
The equation is:

∂u/∂t = - \nabla · S - J · E

And looking how u evolves in the direction of propagation you can get how it's power decreases.
 
Yes, this is essentially a statement of conservation of energy. If a wave spreads out, its energy density must decrease. The J dot E term accounts for the fact that energy can also be lost from the fields to accelerating charges that create currents.
 
Yes, the J·E is the power done on the charges for a distribution of charge.

J = qv where q is the density of charge and v the velocity, so J·E = qE·v = F·v, the classical definition of power, the decrease on the field's energy density is the (density of) power that is done on the current.


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